Is Muslim Immigration a Form of Conscious Invasion That Should Be Resisted?

"Muslim brotherhood"

 

Are you drunk?

 

I do not drink alcohol, why, are you drunk?

this a conspiracy theory thread, try to get into the part

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It's a fact that Jewish groups have conspired to facilitate an Islamic invasion of Europe a la Constantinople and this should be resisted via concentration camps and deportations.

 

It's quite simple. You see that big desert:



Muslims and Jews live there. Not in Europe.

 

Well, THAT's obvious nonsense. The entire ME region is only 17% of Islam. Terrorists are a tiny percent of that. For example, ISIS is about 50,000 embedded in a population of over 20 million Iraqi Sunnis. So, that's about 1 in 500 of those who are in the very center of the conflict. Plus, mainline Muslim groups from every region state that ISIS is criminal and certainly NOT abiding by the principles of Islam.

Beyond THAT, the regions where there is serious violence are (and have been) experiencing huge injustice from their governments, and are responding to that.

Look at Iraq!! Under US direction Maliki disenfranchised the Sunnis, and then we put him in power. From there, he started killing Sunnis with the federal troops and their friendly militias as they drove them from regions the Shiite government wanted to be purely Shiite. And, he began driving Sunnis from the government we helped established - a continuation of the work he did for us (although, THIS time, we didn't like it). Now, the US supports Iraq with weapons,training and bombing missions in Sunni lands, backing the government - thus making us part of their civil conflict.

Look at Syria - need I say more than Assad? Look at Saudi Arabia - a hugely repressive dictatorship that WE support - support significant enough to convince OBL that removal of that support was required before progress could be made there. Look at Egypt, where we supported the failed regime to the bitter end, resulting in radicalization and a backlash that has kept the US from being in a position where our help is appreciated.

Look at Palestine, where Gaza is blockaded to the point where they can't even export, can't buy food and medicine, can't rebuild there electric power grid or buy fuel - a blockade that has been in place for 8 years and which Israel promised to negotiate as part of the cease fire - but now refuses to do so. And, the USA supports that. We worked to put that blockade in place (under GW) as a collective punishment for how Palestinians voted - our act being illegal by international law. And, we continue to prevent progress there, as we work against Palestinians on a continuing and unrelenting basis, supporting the Israeli theft of property in their ethnic cleansing program.

You simply don't have a rational argument. This ISIS problem can not be considered a problem with Islam any more than the terrorism from the IRA could be considered a problem with Christianity.

And, we have been a part of what is going on in the ME. for decades. We have no right to point to the ME and say it's all on them. And, it's even more ludicrous for us to point to the tiny fraction of terrorists in the ME (which is itself a small fraction of Islam) and claim those few terrorists represent an entire world wide religion.

 

Thank you for the clarifying summary, which on the externals sounds convincing.

However, even regarding OBL and his chosen actions, it could be understandable that he had a problem with our involvement, but look at the nature of the solution that he chose.

If he and ISIS were both backed by large flows of cash, where is that cash coming from, and why was it not used to make a more conventional approach, such as speaking out to the international community or getting appointed as an ambassador, etc.?

What OBL chose, and what ISIS is chosing, is not in line with modern diplomacy. As a result, the populace in the West, myself included, is for the most part left wondering what the real issues are. The choices being made are not to use modern communication skills but to terrify and destroy, and they are being made by competent individuals more informed and intelligent than, I believe, most of us on this Forum. So how else can that be justified except by their acting according to a pernicious belief system?

 

Every time I ask the question "What EXACTLY do you want to DO about Muslim citizens in the United States?":.....you dodge the question and simply re-state your complaints.

Is that because you HAVE no "solution" just complaints....or is it because your "solution" would be politically impossible to note publicly?

I'll ask again....

What SPECIFCALLY would you "do" to or about Muslims who are citizens of the United States?

Not immigrants or future immigrants. Those here now...who are citizens? Anything? Or are they "safe"?

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Atleast you are HONEST and OPEN....which is more than 99% of the rest of Islamophobes who complain a lot....but won't answer the question.

 

you know there was this one time in the countries history we categorized one group of people as an threat and rounded them up and put them in camps do you remember when that was? do you remember what president did so? and what party he belonged to?

 

and we learned from that and regret it now and hopefully are a better, wiser nation today than in the 40's.

 

Yes, it was the Japanese internment, it was FDR, he was a Democrat...and it was wrong.

But do you know who suggested doing that after 9/11 to Muslims?....

RIGHTwing, REPUBLICAN pundit Michelle Malkin.

But you didni't say.....do you support internment of Muslims? Deportation? What?

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it's why the Islamophobes COMPLAIN...but rarely give their "solution".

1. Because they know that it would be widely unpopular and reminescent of the Japanese internment.

2. Because they know their most "friendly" political party, the GOP....even would reject them and distance itself from them and their ideas.

 

And yet it is the other party that would love to do it again today.

 

As I noted to TRFjr....the last person to call for the internment of a minority group "during war-time"....

was REPUBLICAN Michelle Malkin after 9/11.


I am curious as to his view of Ms. Malkin's idea or more so her morality and ethics?

 

my point is democrats have no high ground in lecturing anyone on rounding people up

 

of course we do. I had nothing to do with Japanese internment. I am fully capable of making moral judgments regardless of what people did in my party before I was even born.

 

and every Christian alive today had not a dam thing to do with the crusades or the inquisition that the left keeps wanting to bring up including Obama

 

it is the legacy of the church, no doubt.... one that they are ashamed of to this day. What Torquemada did does not prevent others today from preaching the gospel of peace. What he did ought to make us realize that, in its relative infancy, the Christian Church was, perhaps, overly zealous. And then be mindful of the fact that Islam is 800 years younger than Christianity.

 

and the legacy of the democrat party is the party of slavery the KKK and Jim Crow

 

The Democratic party doesn't claim their platform is the infallible word of God.

 

in our past incarnation, to be sure. It is comforting to know that, while righties (and whities, I presume) like you - try to hold that over our heads, blacks in America realize which party has those attributes in their present incarnation.

 

you dam right I will and Im right and correct to do so if you and your irk are going to bring up something that happened over 800 years ago to try to shame someone to shut down a debate your freaken right I will bring something up what happened less then 100 years ago to give you a dam taste of your own crap

 

I think that is great. Go for it. As I said, what democrats did before I was born is not "my own crap". It's somebody else's. My party learned from their mistakes and changed. Christianity learned from its mistakes and changed. Islam can certainly follow that same path.

 

You are being inappropriately fearful and demanding of Final Solutions, when the topic of this thread is simply asking if there is a problem that needs to be handled.

If there is indeed a problem, which I begin to think there may be, then another thread would be appropriate to discuss what, if anything, it would be appropriate to do about it.

It is not necessary to put the cart before the horse. The US is already full of problems no one is handling; we have good practice in that.

Since I am the one that started this thread, though, I feel responsible for how the participants in it are being treated, and I respectfully request that you not name call the contributors whose input differs from your views by calling then "Islamaphobes" or other aspersions. Furthermore, I believe it it is against the rules of this website.

Have a nice day.

 

You are making my case.

I am not "fearful"...I am asking you to give us YOUR SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS to the problem....while you merely wish to keep repeating the "problem" and discussing it endlessly. Over and over again, reciting your views of the "problem".....but "oddly" refusing to EVER offer up an idea on "fixing" it.

And I say it is YOU who are fearful of giving your specific solutions....because they either-

A. would be embarrassing to defend or even state.

B. don't exist.


However, I will try a THIRD time....and see if my point isn't completely proven again-

What SPECIFCALLY would you "do" to or about Muslims who are citizens of the United States?

 

There are a lot of Muslim victims of jihad. We just haven't figured out how to use them yet.