Is the belief that homosexuality is sinful homophobic ?

Forcing democracy on others is not the same thing as forcing Christianity on others. The US fights for democracy around the world, not Christian beliefs.

 

All Christians should believe the act of homosexuality is a sin. So is adultery and sex outside of marriage. I don't hear Christians fighting for the right to do either one. Christians condemn those acts as sinful. The same way they condemn the act of homosexuality. Until God changes his mind on those sinful acts, Christians won't either. Just like God, the Pope loves the sinner, but he hates the sin.

 

This law can be found in the old Testament. I believe if God had intended for this law to be changed it would have been changed in the New Testament. It wasn't. It is still a valid law.

Lev. 18:22

‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." (NASB)
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." (ESV, NKJV)

 

Some insist that homosexual hijinks, and pork and shellfish consumption are sinful, many do not.

Again, if anyone thinks they're sinful, they should avoid them, and no one should force those folks to engage in them.

Ultimately, it's a matter of conscience, and everyone conducting himself in accordance with his personal beliefs must be respected.

 

We are all sinners. A relationship with God is personal. Although Christians strive to be Christ like, chances are that will not happen. A feeling of guilt should be ones best means for judging right or wrong. I wish everyone good luck on their journey to finding our origins.

 

You have either quoted me on accident, completely misread my post or are pretending to misunderstand my post. Either way, your response has nothing to do with my post.

 

Certainly, Islamic theocracies are especially prejudiced against homosexual people, but there is a growing acceptance in advanced nations with a scientific orientation and a Christian heritage. The young, especially, espouse a refreshing "live and let live" attitude.

 

When you interpret it the way you choose to I can see why you're confused.
Leaving it as stated should have been pretty clear.
I didn't say "during Biblical times", I said specifically Old Testament times.

Jews, during Old Testament times, were told not to eat shellfish because it would make them "unclean".

Why this gets applied as some sort of contradiction to Christians (who are clearly not Jews) is a fail.



My post was 22 days ago, I assumed the thread was dead until I saw it in Today's Posts.

Anyway, the book is printed in English... reading it would help you understand this.

 

So who is forcing Christianity on others if you agree it is not the US and it's military?

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To 'live and let live" does not mean acceptance of a sinful act. People are trying to make the new Pope as accepting of the homosexual act. They are wrong. He is just not judging others for committing a sin. Only God can judge. He tells us this in the New Testament. "Judge not lest ye be judged."

 

None of the Abrahamic religions will ever be accused of tolerance.

 

Although attemps have been made, some more benevolent than others, Christianity cannot be imposed. Christianity has a voluntary nature.

Ironically, mutual volition between men is the best condition for the proliferation of the gospel that leads to the very obedience to God that some would attempt to impose by force of law.

Being humble in one's personal relationships and arrogant in one's public relationships, one's politics, is not only a hypocrisy it is also a folly because, between equals, forced-good is no net good at all.

 

I am left to believe that the only justifiable use of force is to enforce mutual volition. If a people democratically vote to violate mutual volition between equals, it is nothing more than tyranny of the majority. Democracy is a means not an end.

 

Jesus is tolerant.

 

No, it's not presuming to sit in judgement of others in deciding they "sin"

Is eating pork or shellfish a "sin" because some folks will declare the bible says it is? If anyone believes that it is, they shouldn't eat pork or shellfish.




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Did Christians ever yell "Allah Akbar" before blowing themselves up along with everyone else around them?

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And some would claim self defense.

 

We are all humans. And we all sin. We judge others everyday. It is one way we determine who we want as friends or not. There is nothing wrong with that. We all do it.

 

Humility affords us the power to overcome the temptation to sit in judgment - even of those who eat shellfish despite the biblical injunction.

 

Even he had his moments. He wasn't all that tolerant of the money-changers. Threw an absolute hissy.

 

Jesus was tolerant in that He advocated mutual volition between men. He was intolerant of violations of mutual volition between men.
Mutual volition is as tolerant as one can be between equals. Anything else favors one over the other. Jesus opposed those who would impose their best intentions upon others just as strongly as He did those who would impose their less-than-best intention upon others.

 

Interesting way to dodge the question...

 

Jesus was tolerant in that He advocated mutual volition between men. Jesus opposed violations of mutual volition between men.
Mutual volition is as tolerant as one can be between equals. Anything else favors one over the other.
Jesus opposed those who would impose their best intentions upon others just as much as He opposed those who would impose their less- than-best intentions upon others.

One does not tolerate what is equal but different. One tolerates what is inferior. One cannot be more tolerant than one is judgmental.
However, one can be more judgmental than one is tolerant.

 

If Old Testament times are irrelevent and only apply to Jews of that era, why don't we only follow the New Testament teachings in relation to homosexuality?

 

You really shouldn't be putting words into the guy's mouth. He never once mentioned "mutual volition".