Is the COVID "pandemic" becoming another HOLOCAUST?

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Is the COVID "pandemic" becoming another HOLOCAUST?

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    The Democrat Party is currently, via their bigotry, labeling "conservatives" as "the unvaccinated", and labeling "the unvaccinated" as "disease carriers".

    It is their position that "conservatives"/"the unvaccinated"/"disease carriers" are in fact causing and prolonging the global COVID-19 outbreak, and that such "disease carriers" should be rounded up and put into "quarantine camps".

    I ask everyone on this forum: Does this not sound like what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust era??


    History is, once again, repeating itself. Only this time, it isn't the "typhus spreading" "disease carrying" Jews who are being targeted and rounded up into concentration camps... THIS time, it is the "COVID spreading" "disease carrying" "unvaccinated" "conservatives" who are being targeted and will eventually on a widespread basis be rounded up into concentration camps...


    There is nothing new under the sun. Attached below is a Nazi propaganda poster which circulated around Poland in 1941, which reads (when roughly translated): "Jews are lice; they cause typhus".

    Discuss.


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    Firstly, I feel that your analogy is a bit extreme in that all members of the Democratic Party and people who have chosen to get vaccinated do not regard the unvaccinated as "disease carriers".

    I certainly don't.

    Secondly, there is perhaps more disinformation about what has come to be known as the holocaust than about any other topic in the Western world.

    Briefly put, WW 2 was primarily a clash between Germany's National Socialism (NS) and expansionist Communism with about 80% of the early Communist leadership being comprised of Jewish individuals(1). So, Germany's Jews were not persecuted so much for being Jewish as the were for their association with Communism, real or perceived.

    If Jews were persecuted for simply being "diseased parasites" then they would not have allowed to hold high ranking positions in the NS Party (2) or rise to the highest ranks in Germany's military (3).

    This thread, if I understand it correctly, is not about the holocaust but rather about what you feel is the persecution of people who chose not to get vaccinated.

    Even though I have chosen to get vaccinated, I will openly admit that I do not know enough about the virus to support mandatory vaccinations or any of the other draconian measures you mention such as "quarantine camps" or anything else of that nature.

    On the other hand, I do not feel that being required to wear a mask or requiring proof of vaccination by private establishments is either unreasonable or among the first steps to totalitarianism.

    After all, this is not a "One size fits all" world.

    Thanks,



    (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


    (2) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (3) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks for your thoughtful response.

    I used the words "Democrat Party". What I mean by that is people such as Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, etc who are in positions of power within the Democrat Party and have controlling influence over policymaking. I understand that there are a number of people who consider themselves Democrats who oppose (or even vehemently oppose) such a viewpoint. However, voting for Democrats who hold these views enables these views to continue to dig deeper into the mainstream. Many Democrat voters should seriously consider voting Republican just to stop Democrats from making this nation into a tyrannical oppressive communist hellhole.

    I will note, however, that this view that I speak of in my OP seems to be fairly popular even within the Democrat voting base. A Rasmussen poll, for what it's worth, found that (among their respondents), 55% of Democrat voters would support "federal/state governments fining Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine"... 59% of the same would support "a government policy requiring that unvaccinated people remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies"... 48% of the same support "government fining/imprisoning anyone who publicly questions the efficacy of COVID vaccines [on various media sources]"... 45% of the same support "governments requiring unvaccinated people to temporarily live in [quarantine camps]"... 47% of the same support "a government tracking program to track unvaccinated people"... 29% of the same would support "temporarily removing parents' custody of their children if parents refuse to get vaccinated".

    How ****ing sick is all of that??? If those results are indeed similar across the nation, then roughly half of Democrat voters are full blown communists. THAT'S scary as hell to me. The Democrat Party appears to have been taken over by communists. Any Democrat who isn't a communist should seriously consider voting Republican from now on just to put a halt to the communist agenda.

    Yes, it's about persecution of the "unvaccinated", and the bigotry ("all unvaccinated people are diseased (or causing disease)", and etc) that breeds such persecution. I then linked this to part of what was going on during the Holocaust, namely the propaganda poster that labeled Jews as "diseased". That sort of thinking breeds very heinous acts, such as persecution, such as the Holocaust. This isn't meant to simplify what was all involved with the Holocaust, but to draw a parallel to one aspect of it that contributed to it and escalated it.

    Why would you ever even consider supporting mandatory vaccinations to begin with? If a disease is truly "super deadly", then people will voluntarily on their own accord get vaccinated, even battling others to be "first in line" for it. IOW, there would be no need for fear mongering, coercion, threatening people's livelihoods, or any sort of force/mandate. We are free people who have autonomy over our own bodies; we can make our own decisions as we see fit for ourselves. Coercion/force is the way of Satan; freedom is the way of Jesus Christ. That's generally how I see it.

    I'd like to see a significant number of Democrats become very vocal against these measures and rein the party in from full blown communism...

    I hear this sort of thing a lot, and this is my view on it:

    I'm fine with a private establishment making their own decisions for what is allowed inside of their own establishment. If they wish to be mask and vaccine tyrants, then so be it. I won't patron them. I'll take my patronage elsewhere. My problem, however, is when government mandates THEM to mandate such things. That's NOT the establishment choosing to implement those measures on their own accord; that's, rather, the establishment putting those mandates into place due to the government threat placed upon them. Most establishments don't wish to implement any of this stuff because it harms their business and they want as many customers as possible to patron them. I walk into establishments all the time that "require masks" WITHOUT a mask on and they say nothing to me. They don't kick me out. They want my patronage, and don't want to be forcing such policy on their customers. They just have to put the sign on the door because government is forcing them to do so. THAT's not an establishment choosing on their own accord... That's the important distinction that I wish to make whenever people bring up this viewpoint and gloss over the fact that it's not just a business doing what they wish but is rather government forcing this crap onto the businesses. --- THAT IS totalitarianism, communism, oppressive, tyrannical, whatever you wish to call it.

    Very true. That's why I think that government should largely just leave people alone and let them live their lives as they see fit instead of mandating people to wear masks and get vaccinations to keep their jobs.

    You too. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
     
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    Lots of people who weren't Jews were executed as Jews. Don't you think it ever went the other way?

    Holocaust denialism is more despicable than most any other form anti-semitism I know.
     
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    Yes, the powers that be have conspired to scare the world silly over a respiratory virus with a 99% survival rate, and the herd responded as predicted.

    The shots are not only bioweapons, but they have been the vehicle to polarize the population, those who've taken it against those who have not. Was that element also planned? Likely so.

    Comparing the situation to what happened in Nazi Germany is not far off IMO.
     
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    It is not the point who fought what Nazi's vs Communists etc.
    The point is that tools and methods of government propaganda are the same as Nazi's propaganda.
    And the perception is that propaganda will lead to something similar to Holocausts.
     
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    I believe that it was Voltaire who stressed the importance of defining one's terms for clarity in communicating thoughts.

    As I understand both your comment and the OP, the operative word is "propaganda" and the author of the OP was simply trying to illustrate the slippery slope syndrome by way of National Socialist Germany's machinations in the mid 1900s. Any number of totalitarian regimes throughout history with a history of persecution could have served just as well but with Hollywood's obsession with Holocaust stories and the influence of the Holocaust Industry, everything is "just like the Holocaust"

    Then as now, it is important to accept the reality that all sides use / used propaganda. For example, the Auschwitz gassing story is acknowledged as an important part of Allied wartime propaganda (1) just as the human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human fat soap hoaxes all turned out to be pure Allied propaganda.

    My point is that maybe not all of what we've been told by official government sources about the virus is propaganda. Maybe some of it is valid and only part of it is hyperbole.

    I simply don't know enough about this virus and its ever changing mutations to refute the myriad of government experts.

    I simply try to be objective, listen to a variety of sources, use some common sense and chose a course of action that seems appropriate to me.

    Even though I am vaccinated and usually always wear a mask in public, I strongly oppose compelling anyone to get vaccinated or wearing a mask even if it does serve the greater good for society.

    Our free society is too valuable to jeopardize with every emergency that comes along.



    (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Never let a good crisis go to waste.

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    I have no idea what you're even trying to say, and I think that you're completely missing what my thread is about.

    Nazi Party propaganda that Jews are "diseased carriers of typhus" <--> Democrat Party propaganda that "unvaccinated people" are "diseased carriers of COVID"

    Do you not see a parallel there? Such bigoted (even racist when it happened back in the early 1940s) viewpoints fueled the mass genocide fires back then, and definitely have the potential to fuel mass genocide fires in the present... That's what my thread is about. That's what I fear if the bigotry ("unvaccinated people are diseased") doesn't get toned down.
     
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    And some others cry "tyranny" if they have to stand in line for 2 mins waiting for a hot dog.
     
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    True enough.
     
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    Nice attempt at playing the victim + nazi card, but no, it does not sound like holocaust in any way shape or form, especially when you have to invent stuff to support your paranoias.
     
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    NO,

    The stupidity in that is that and what they do not know vaccines do not prevent anyone from being a carrier, they only help the person fight it off.

    The Jews performed the holocaust ceremony, the germans were the sacrifices, nothing that was done to the Jews compared to what the Jews did to Dresden.

    That was not propaganda. Without delousing the whole camp population would have died including the gaurds etc

    Thats why they had deinfestation protocol in the camps, the nazis tried to keep the Jews alive. How else could Elie the weasel escape from 3 different death camps, well at least according to him. :roflol:

    I have plenty of pictures if you like.
     
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    No "card" was played. Rather, an observation was made.

    So there's no parallel behavior between:

    Nazi Party propaganda labeling Jews as "disease carriers/spreaders" <---> Democrat Party propaganda labeling "unvaccinated people" as "disease carriers/spreaders"?

    What did I invent?
     
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    Absolutely none whatsoever.

    Your claims comparing your butt-hurt feeling to the holocausts.

    Can you quote the above statement from the Democrat party?
     
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    I guess you are the one of the organizers.
    What is a point to deny obvious?
    If people agree to impose unlawful sanctions and deprive other people's freedom for no reason it is a Holocaust.
     
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    The holocaust was a genocide of 6 million people, so to compare covid to Holocaust it pretty childish.
     
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    It's more like the Spanish flu.
     
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    Perception is reality. But some reality in not fact based, but fear and/or emotion based.
     
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    Currently, I do not see any fail-stop that prevent majority to prosecute minority, there is nothing is childish when the government act as a hate monger.
     
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    I do not know about yours, but my reality is a fact based.
    Fortunately Supreme Court has stopped the madness, I do not know for how long.
     
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    LOL sure.
    You think the SC stopped covid. So much for fact based.
     
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    Every so often on the internetz you get a thread so insultingly absurd that the way people respond to the OP offers a handy way to work out whose opinions are worth bothering with and whose aren't. Comparing the treatment of unvaccinated people to the holocaust is just such a thread.
     
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    That is not the point.
    The point is that some people feel good about depriving freedom of other people, using bogus justifications.
    There is no reason not to think that those people would not approve physical extermination.
     
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    They have stopped an attempt to gain unlimited power.
    Useless vaccines was just an excuse for illegal power grab.
     

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