Is the US response to coranavirus adequate

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations. You discovered "confounding factors" all by yourself. There are many confounding factors that make the infection stats dubious- amount of testing, inclusion criteria, demographics, population size/density, etc... etc...

    You understand that the numbers in your little presentation are skewed and unreliable, and yet you present them as if they prove your Orange Man bad narrative.

    Lies, damned lies, and statistics. That's what you're trying to sell.

    No thanks.
     
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  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    You are rather fond of your petty insults, I have noticed. Insults are what one stoops down to when they are losing the debate.
    I'm kinda funny in that i'm a big believer in this thing called "personal responsibility"...it's where you dont blame others for choices YOU made. No matter how much you want to blame Trump for some silly people drinking an anti parasite medicine for fish, rational thinking folks, know better.

    Just because CNN told you to blame the President, doesn't mean you need to. It's just silly.
     
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  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is not about numbers or statistics. It's about a tendency. I'm sure the situation is worse in countries where they don't do testing and are not doing anything about the epidemic. But this allows us to visually compare countries in similar situation as far as response to the epidemic. This is the reason why it's shown as an animation, and not as a number graph.

    You completely (and purposefully) miss the point. The fact is that the tendency shows us quickly reaching the top among countries with similar response policies. And it's valid and useful to ask ourselves why. What policies or actions created differences?
     
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  4. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree. Let’s call it trump’s ignorant demagoguery preying on the poorly educated who trusted him.
    One of them won’t be making that mistake again. More will follow soon as he keeps spouting self serving bullshit instead of serving the people.
     
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  5. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    How do you know they were not liberals? It's "poor education" to spread misinfo and lies for a corrupt media.

    Again, he told NO ONE to self medicate. Repeating lies does not have the magical ability to make them true.
     
  6. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberals aren’t dumb enough to believe anything trump says.
     
  7. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    So you have zero proof? I find some of the policies they vote for, to be "less than intelligent". For instance, they almost voted in Andrew Gillum for Fl. Gov. He ran on two promises (among others) Raising Fl minimum wage to 15$ an hour AND raising our corporate taxes by 40%.

    What better, double whammy to destroy our state economy, yet scores of really smart liberals actually voted for that. So dont try to play the "liberals are smarter than Conservatives" card. Would YOU have voted for him?
     
  8. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What? That liberals don’t believe anything that trump says?
    Find me a liberal dumb enough to believe trump’s ignorant demagoguery.
    I’ll wait.
     
  9. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I see you ignored and edited my post, I can see why, now surprise me and address it. (bet you wont)

    So you have zero proof? I find some of the policies they vote for, to be "less than intelligent". For instance, they almost voted in Andrew Gillum for Fl. Gov. He ran on two promises (among others) Raising Fl minimum wage to 15$ an hour AND raising our corporate taxes by 40%.

    What better, double whammy to destroy our state economy, yet scores of really smart liberals actually voted for that. So dont try to play the "liberals are smarter than Conservatives" card. Would YOU have voted for him?
     
  10. Lucifer

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    [​IMG]

    Just about anything I type you think is an insult, so why bother?

    Maybe you should think of some other way to spend your time since you're so easily offended by words that don't heap praise on your demagogue.
     
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  11. Zorro

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    Back to our collective response on Corona Virus.

    With Lives and the Economy on the Line, Nancy The Ripper Stalls Wuhan Coronavirus Relief Bill.

    She's deep in her own: "I don't give a F- Zone."

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    "Yours is not to reason why; yours is just to cough and die."

    Shameful.

    Utterly, despicably shameful.

    Having tried and failed in the first half of this to lard up the coronavirus relief bill with extraneous goodies and intrusive regulations to please her rabidly progressive constituency, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has decided to take her bat and ball and go home for the day.

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    Alex Bruesewitz@alexbruesewitz

    Pelosi and the House got in at 10am this morning and left at 10:02am.

    They will likely not be voting on the Senate Bill today.

    What does that mean?

    It means Pelosi is withholding aid from Americans for another day!

    What an absolutely horrible person.

    RT!

    7:38 AM - Mar 25, 2020
    Congressman Steve Scalise -- the near-assassination victim of a particularly-energetic Bernie Bro, if you'll recall -- weighed in, too.

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    Steve Scalise

    ✔@SteveScalise

    Let's be clear: As families & small businesses struggled, Dems held relief hostage for days to play politics & try to sneak their liberal wish list into this emergency bill.

    All to finally agree to largely the same deal Pelosi made Schumer block Sunday.

    How was this worth it?

    7:59 AM - Mar 25, 2020

    We're in a situation where every day, every hour counts. Every day that passes without a paycheck or unemployment relief is a day untold numbers of families grow closer to losing their homes. Every hour that money doesn't go out to manufacturers is another hour hospitals have to wait for masks and ventilators. Every hour some sick New Yorker has to wait for another hospital bed. Every dinner out postponed, every canceled event, every missed business opportunity is another step closer to economic collapse.

    Pelosi is an evil, vile, petulant person with the ability to destroy by virtue of the position the Democrat Congress has elevated her to.

    It's time for Patriotic Dems to put their Fellow Americans First and remove her from the Speakership.
     
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    Pelosi has gaveled the House out 4 the day...taking the rest of day off, while still getting paid & sitting on multi-million $ nest egg.

    Meanwhile, small businesses are closing their doors.

    People are losing their jobs & can’t put food on the tables.

    Lives are being destroyed https://twitter.com/chadpergram/status/1242823263597793280 …

    IT’S COME TO THIS. ‘This Is Ridiculous:’ AOC’s Ex-Top Aide Saikat Chakrabarti Torches Pelosi For Coronavirus Stimulus Games.

    House was in this morning at 10 a.m. and 42 seconds. Out at 10:02 and 37 seconds No business of note. No resignations, etc. Back in tomorrow at 11 a.m.,” Jake Sherman of the Politico tweets.

    Democrats Have Misread the Moment.

    WE OWN THIS COUNTRY, NOT CRAZY NANCY PELOSI!

    Thanks to the Democrat votes on which her Speakership relies on, she has the ability to strangle the entire national response because Dems obey her and give her the power to do so.
     
  13. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Saying someone has "no morals or values" is not only an insult but a lie on your part. If you cant seem to participate without insults, maybe you need a new hobby?

    "Morals and values"? You mean like being able to carry on a civil conversation, does that fit in there? Anyways, I have no more time for you, this person without "morals or values" is going back to building a custom trike for the handicapped. Have a nice day and keep it real!
     
  14. Lucifer

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    What I said exactly is:
    I have no control how you interpret the message, but I do find it quite hilarious that you now claim you want a "civil conversation"? Are you serious? You have as yet to conduct one yourself.

    If you don't like my observations, then place me on IGNORE, but this faux outrage is typical of your writing style, hence the meme.
     
  15. WillReadmore

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    The organization of US governors are saying that we are not getting adequate federal leadership.

    This goes beyond junk like telling governors that he was signing the Defense Production Act and then tweeting that he wasn't going to use it.

    The Republican governor who is the leader of that group has harsh things to say about this Easter nonsense. Trump is essentially undermining gubernatorial leadership with this Easter idea.


    Let's remember that the governors are the ones to develop shelter in place plans - what stays open, what doesn't, etc. It's not as if there has been any White House leadership on what we do domestically.

    I wonder if he thinks HE can "restart" when what we are following is not his plan - it's the plan of governors.
     
  16. WillReadmore

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    So, you're opposed to the 2 trillion dollar bailout that includes not just those too poor to save suffcient funds, but CORPORATIONS that have just been given HUGE tax cuts??

    Good!

    I was listening to the CEO of Ford. He noted that Ford didnt take bailout money at the Bush recession.

    And, when they saw this threat the company increased it's cash on hand to the point where they don't need any help today.

    The idea that so many of our companies can pay NO taxes on billions of dollars of income and then beg the American people for trillion dollars of THEIR taxes is (and SHOULD be) infuriating.

    They KNOW they don't have to be responsible! They KNOW they have a pipeline to our tax dollars.

    These snowflake corporations need to feel some heat.
     
  17. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Good for you and have a nice day. I dont use ignore, (see your meme) Your typical style is insults and partisan, incivility. Careful when casting stones
     
  18. Lucifer

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    Right back at you.
     

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