Is this Human?

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Is this human

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Yes it DOES take two people so why is it only the women are being blamed? Your pathetic excuse holds no water since men are and should be held responsible for their actions

    As for being “human tissue” it is made of cells. Same as an embryo, those cells are differentiating same as an embryo so how is it different? You have simply declared there is a difference without rationale or explanation
     
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    I never claimed they shouldn't. Point me to where I said that please
     
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    "and" what?


    You asked""If it isn't human then what is it? Fish? Reptile?
    doombug, Wednesday at 10:04 PM""""""

    I answered :
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF said a human ZEF wasn't human?

    Show the exact quote.....I can't find anyone saying a human ZEF wasn't human...""""



    I asked where you saw anyone say the ZEF wasn't human.......and now you can't say.....gee, maybe no one said that ;) ;) ...actually , for sure no one said that...""""



    ...and I answered...showing you to be wrong...
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or maybe I've read too much science fiction.

    :mrgreen:
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That 2asn't a tangent. Here's a tangent:

    My main point here is that if I'm pregnant, it's none of your business. A woman is under no obligation to tell the man who impregnated her, even if she's married to him. She need not tell anyone if she doesn't want to, so why is it the government's business? She should be free to go to her doctor and discuss only with her doctor any decision she makes about her medical condition.

    Since no one here seems willing or able to look this up, here is the constitional right to privacy upon which Roe v Wade is based:

    4th Amendment:

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Section 1 of the 14th Amendment:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    That's the relevant part where states are concerned ... no state law is alowed to trump the constituion and its amendments.

    If you guys can't lose the emotional "killing babies" crap and think of this issue logically and reasonably, at least familiarize yourselves with the applicable parts of the Constitution.
     
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    Nah, this is what abortion leads to. Just admit it.
     
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    You answered nothing.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "and" what?


    You asked""If it isn't human then what is it? Fish? Reptile?
    doombug, Wednesday at 10:04 PM""""""

    I answered :
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF said a human ZEF wasn't human?

    Show the exact quote.....I can't find anyone saying a human ZEF wasn't human...""""



    I asked where you saw anyone say the ZEF wasn't human.......and now you can't say.....gee, maybe no one said that ;) ;) ...actually , for sure no one said that...""""



    ...and I answered...showing you to be wrong...



    My post showed I answered...and YOU didn't.
     
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    If you agree that it's human then it's murder.

    ;)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "and" what?


    You asked""If it isn't human then what is it? Fish? Reptile?
    doombug, Wednesday at 10:04 PM""""""

    I answered :
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF said a human ZEF wasn't human?

    Show the exact quote.....I can't find anyone saying a human ZEF wasn't human...""""



    I asked where you saw anyone say the ZEF wasn't human.......and now you can't say.....gee, maybe no one said that ;) ;) ...actually , for sure no one said that...""""



    ...and I answered...showing you to be wrong...





    My post showed I answered...and YOU didn't.




    NOPE! A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.
     
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    Ok so you finally admit that you just said it's not a human. Crazy how you and I had to go back and forth for more than a few pages because you refused to acknowledge that because you thought you had a gotcha.

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.
     
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    Yes I am aware of that and it took several pages to try to get you to finally agree.

    So. Thanks for playing!
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.

    You're aware of what?

    Of course I agree with my own statement:
    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.
     
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    "show me who said a zef isn't human"

    :D

    Worst attempt at a gotcha, ever.
     
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    No you did not answer.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.



    You're aware of what?

    Of course I agree with my own statement:
    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.


    Why? No one said a human ZEF isn't human and that poster never proved they did...


    LOL, you just feel like it's a "gotcha" because you don't understand it...worst attempt at having a point ever...:) :)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "and" what?


    You asked""If it isn't human then what is it? Fish? Reptile?
    doombug, Wednesday at 10:04 PM""""""

    I answered :
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF said a human ZEF wasn't human?

    Show the exact quote.....I can't find anyone saying a human ZEF wasn't human...""""



    I asked where you saw anyone say the ZEF wasn't human.......and now you can't say...
    ..gee, maybe no one said that ;) ;) ...actually , for sure no one said that...""""



    ...and I answered...showing you to be wrong...





    My post showed I answered...and YOU didn't.

    FoxHastings said:
    "and" what?


    You asked""If it isn't human then what is it? Fish? Reptile?
    doombug, Wednesday at 10:04 PM""""""

    I answered :
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF said a human ZEF wasn't human?

    Show the exact quote.....I can't find anyone saying a human ZEF wasn't human...""""



    I asked where you saw anyone say the ZEF wasn't human.......and now you can't say...
    ..gee, maybe no one said that ;) ;) ...actually , for sure no one said that...""""



    ...and I answered...showing you to be wrong...





    My post showed I answered...and YOU didn't.
     
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    "it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person."

    It's in your own post, hun. Sadly you've just countered your own gotcha.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.



    You're aware of what?

    Of course I agree with my own statement:
    FoxHastings said:
    It's in clear English...try again...(English has things called adjectives and nouns, look them up)


    A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person.

    It has no rights so killing it is not murder.




    Why? No one said a human ZEF isn't human and that poster never proved they did...


    LOL, you just feel like it's a "gotcha" because you don't understand it...worst attempt at having a point ever...:) :)



    If you sadly don't understand the English sentence """A human ZEF is human (adjective) , it is NOT A human (noun) as in born legal person."

    then of course you'd be confused.


    And nowhere did I ever say the ZEF wasn't human.....and no one else did either.


    BTW, even if the ZEF was A legal person it still can't override the rights of the person it's in :) :)
     
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  21. ToughTalk

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    No one accused you of thinking it was a cat or a dog. We accused you of suggesting that which you just admitted too in this post.

    Again, thanks for playing. Was nice for you to finally admit your mistake
     
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    Semantics and an Ad Hom - you know you’ve lost when you are down to those
     
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    Actually you've lost when you counter your own statement and then refuse to acknowledge your own words. lol (and btw...nothing I said in the post you quoted was an ad hom. )
     
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    Still no answer I see.
     
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    Did I say it was just that one post?
     

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