Is today the day we find out if hard working truckers have to pay the tuitions of blue haired brats?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great point. Shouldn't "INTEGRITY" be a part of education?
     
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    Is your assumption anyone who went to university got injected with Marxist ideology? I assure you that is far from the norm. I don’t know anyone personally who went to college who is a Marxist.
     
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    Maybe the NBA can pause to set up trampolines for those who can’t dunk. Equity makes zero sense outside of memes
     
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    republicans wanted to build a pipeline to kill truckers jobs, now they act like this has anything to do with truckers

    sounds like Republicans are trying to justify their taking this away from millions of our youths
     
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    The issue is in America education became expansive. In 2023 calendar year UW Madison tuition cost 39k. Just the tuition cost 39K , then you have books, housing, food etc. almost 70k a year . How many American can send their kids to collage and pay 70k a year? Not many. So student loan is the only option.

    By the time a kid graduate from a 4 years collage , he/s has over 300k loan. Forget about 4 years collage disagree with psychology, collage grade with computer science starting job is less than 40k.

    A 22 old man or women with 4 years degree with computer science, 40K yearly salary and 300k debt. He/s couldn’t afford to buy a decent car to commute to her knew jobs, let alone buy a house or get married or have children.

    Biden student debt was a flawed concept from the start. Congress has the power of the purse. But the real problem is how do we solve the root cause that – collage is too expensive.

    Now before someone reply – if you can’t afford it then don’t go to collage. Well, in 21st century where India, China and EU spending more money in Collage education for their future generation then defense budget, America can’t afford not sending their kids to higher education.
     
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    Im Pro abortion but don’t see what this has to do with abortion. Although, like a loan you agree to something and have to see it though. Unless it’s rape you chose to have sex and babies are the result of sex. If you can’t handle the responsibility of paying a debt like a loan or a child, don’t sign on the dotted line? A child is a responsibility and they cost money. You don’t get to just walk out and expect someone else to pay, in theory. You should see it through.

    An abortion is more like declaring bankruptcy :)
     
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    We want a country with rule of law, but we don’t need 100 years old constitution which doesn’t fit the need of today’s America. It’s time to update the connotation or change it altogether.
     
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    How much of it do you want to burn and change on the whims of those who want to buy votes?
     
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    Really? My kids won’t have anywhere near $300k in loans. Hell, it won’t even hit $200k. I’m fact it won’t even hit $100k. Not sure why you think every kid will have $300k loans other than being fed misinformation.
     
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    Just because you have sex doesn’t mean you have babies. You can have morning after pill, you can have abortion. But conservatives wants to force woman to choose what they want. Have baby against their will.

    Any way, going back to personal responsibility- I didn’t see conservative have problem with PPP loan? What happened to personal responsibility? I didn’t see conservative had problem when Bush bailed out Banks, what happened to personal responsibility ? I didn’t see conservative say “ why should trucker pay for CEO of bank of America”.
     
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    The average loan debt is so much less but as usual everything is a crisis and exaggerated. Like you said. Misinformation.
     
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    Well, it all depend on the need, today we might change only one amendment , tomorrow 4 , 10 years later 5 more who knows. It all depend on the need to current time.

    Unlike conservative, liberals don’t believe US constipation is a document set in stone, It is a living document, we should change it as frequently as needed.
     
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    how lucky you are. but that is not the case for everyone.
     
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    do you know how much it cost for a out of state student to study in UW Madison per year? 39k Just for tuition. why don't you do the math for me for 4 years collage tuition, housing, food, books, etc.
     
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    Nothing? You can’t see the line between the two ? Bing bank can get bailout by tax payer money and conservatives are ok with it. A poor student get 10k debt relief and conservative pulling their hair out “ keep your hand off Biden from my wallet” .
     
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    And 300k is nowhere near the case for everyone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    My question had nothing to do with bailouts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    The issue is the constitution. College has become far more expensive than the value delivered because of all these college loans.

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    Education costs are growing at nearly twice the inflation rate as everything else.

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    10 PERCENT FOR THE BIG GUY: Joe Biden Says He Wants To Crack Down on ‘Privilege’ in Education, But, He Called UPenn’s President To Get His Granddaughter In.
     
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    So an essentially useless document. Got it. Like gender for some. Fluid with no definition changed on the whims of any sociopath in power.
     
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    If you have $300k in student debt, with no plan or ability to pay it back, you screwed up SO BADLY and deserve it.
     
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    No we look on it as investing in the future - we support student placements in needed professions through CSP and the government runs the main debt service through HECS and collects returns at tax time https://www.studyassist.gov.au/help...rted-places-csps/student-contribution-amounts

    With the government offering cheap debt repayments it keeps the price gouging and interest down. Meanwhile overseas student have to pay full fees - Aus makes quite a significant amount of money from overseas students.
     
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    Mmm - we do it by charging less for Aus citizens than overseas students - not very charitable I know but it works
     
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    Get to it. Amend it. Throw it out with a delegation of states. But stop violations of rule of law. It’s not a good look.

    Of course this will never happen because you are in a small minority that doesn’t understand the Constitution and it’s value.
     
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    Not for a while...

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    Then go in-state where it’s cheaper, even go to community college, get an AA, then finish off your degree? There’s always online where it’s cheaper. Many states have scholarships that take care most of the cost if you’re a great student. FL does. Makes it more affordable or with a decent job you can certainly pay off your debt with a little responsible living.

    I’m thinking you’re complaining without even understanding all your options OR upset you’re a shitty student and probably don’t even belong in college in the first place.

    Most really don’t belong in college. Affirmative Action made that perfectly clear when you look at dropout rates. Sadly now everyone looks at that data and it looks bad for the school so those numbers are becoming more manipulated.
     
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