Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    I think you are right, but probably only a Mormon could say what they believe in as they are somewhat secretive.
     
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  2. Moshty

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    That doesn't make any sense. If I accepted that it would make jihadwatch not propaganda.
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    According to Sahih Muslim hadiths #6804& 6805 =
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    Abu Bakr b. Abdullah b. Qais reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that in Paradise there would be for a believer a tent of a single hollowed pearl the breadth of which would be sixty miles. It would be meant for a believer and the believers would go around it and none would be able to see the others.

    6805
    Abu Bakr b. Abdullah b. Qais reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that in Paradise there would be a tent made of a single hollowed pearl, the breadth of which would be sixty miles from all sides and there would live a family in each corner and the other would not be able to see the believer who goes around them.
    https://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=040&translator=2&start=0&number=6804#6804
     
  4. Moshty

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    How did you come by that number? No professional so far has come to a number that could be assumed accurate. The estimate seems to be from 10-20 millions up until 130-140 millions. So you're just guessing and rounding it up for convenience.
     
  5. Moshty

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    That doesn't say anything about several 'heavens'.
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    You should become familiar with Islam if you are going to comment on it.

    https://www.searchtruth.com/searchH...arch_word=any&translator=2&records_display=10

    https://www.searchtruth.com/searchH...arch_word=any&translator=1&records_display=10

    https://www.searchtruth.com/searchH...arch_word=any&translator=4&records_display=10

    https://www.searchtruth.com/searchH...arch_word=any&translator=3&records_display=10

    https://www.searchtruth.com/search....cords_display=10&translator=5&search_word=all
     
  7. Moshty

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    With Christianity yes, because they have forgotten the religion. Not everyone else has forgotten theirs.
     
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    Muslims don't go to heaven. Each guy has his own paradise, harem, and herd of cute boys. Hell is filled with mostly women.
     
  9. Moshty

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    You don't seem to be able to find a source for that.
     
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    The bible in its current form didn't exist when the Qur'an was authored.

    However, Moses, David and others are seen as messengers of God, and their works as documented in the Bible are revered, are they not?
     
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    This is a ludicrous assault based on ignorance.
     
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  13. Moshty

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    Depends somewhat on what you mean by the current form of it and its existence. The first copy was written around 200-400 AD which would be before the Koran was revealed.
    No. Not as recorded in the Bible.
     
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    Exactly. But Jihadwatch is no more hate-filled than the Koran is, and in many ways, far less so, since Jihadwatch specifically calls on people not to kill Muslims, while the Koran openly and explicitly calls on people to kill nonbelievers. So which one is hate-filled propaganda?
     
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    You were supposed to show where it tells Muslims to kill Jews and Christians.
     
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    Jesus is the Messiah in Islam as well, not Muhammad.
    When you're deluded enough to think there is no word of God in the Scriptures you aren't going to go fishing around for the truth.
    Wouldn't God be able to 'be born as a better person' without all this hassle?
     
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  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Mebbe, I think most people of all religions don't have much faith in them nowadays. It's like Michael O'Dongohue said "We don't go to Church and they don't go to mosque, but we still kill each other over the difference"

    (ISIS and the Westboro Baptists are different animals)
     
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    He's also sending his only Son to die so as to "open the gates of heaven" which had been shut when Adam & Eve sinned. Couldn't he figure out a better way like, I don't know.... OPENING them?. I mean he is GOD and all, isn't he?
     
  20. Moshty

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    From your source:
    Another reasoning in the article is that Muslims don't call God "Father".

    The problem is not all christians consider Jesus God at all. As for the word "Father" - it's just a word. Doesn't change the thing it describes whether we agree on the word or not. Overalls the speaker simply rejects the Koran as the word of God. Which is alright, but it creates a certain problem when she tries to then compare the "Islamic God" and the "Christian God" based on the Koran which she rejects.
     
  21. Moshty

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    Ever heard of crusaders?
     
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    You mean after Islam conquered many Christian lands?
     
  23. Moshty

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    At any time. The point is here that Christianity never spread by "the pen".
     
  24. Moshty

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    This^ is based on false information, but I'll point out anyway that it would actually make more sense if the Muslims had done it because of a word and deeds of their messenger than it would for the Christians to do it despite there "not being" any such word or deed from their messenger.
     
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    During the Crusades the mistake they made was to emulate the Muslim's method of conquest. Before that it spread entirely by the word.
     

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