Islam Thread (2)

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by OJLeb, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Dusty1000

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    Just because I don't believe that any religious book is literally true, does not mean that I believe nothing.

    I've already told you what I believe. Here it is again:

    ''I believe that each religious book was intended to improve the lives of it's followers at the time it was written.''

    Just because you believe ''the truth'' is in your posts, doesn't make it so.
     
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    Anyway, let's please try to stick to the topic of this thread.
     
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    I will do the work for you mate






    This is not a historical localized and limited war like in the bible. This is a unlimited call for war against the unbelivers. That all why, we had 12 centurys of jihad and no more than 400 years of crusade for the christian.
    Remember also that we currently have no large scale christian organization which promote war and fund terrorist militant action. Whereas 70% of world terrorism is from Sunni muslims religion.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sunni-muslim-extremists-committed-70-terrorist-murders-2011
    It's a good starting point. What do you think about it ? Will they peaceful coexist ?
    with in the incremented word of allah, unmodifiable and uncontestable for muslims :

     
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    Because I have heardwhat the preachers of hate have said. Their words, and the words of the Qur'an are blasphemous lies.
     
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    OK, whatever floats your boat. But consider, with all the religions of the world, only one can be right. It may be convienient to think that they are all lies, but what would be the purpose of all religions being lies. One has to be true.

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    That is a false belief. It amounts to a concession, not conviction. There has to be "a" truth.
     
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    This is not accurate to what is there.



    And...where is this sect of Judaism and this sect of Christianity that DO follow the "true" teachings given them by Allah? What are they called? Where is a community of them located? Do you know any?
     
  7. Dusty1000

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    Ah, a copy and paste from an Islamaphobic website. It that your idea of ''work''? :wink:

    Try reading the thread - that's work :wink: - then pick out any verses that you think haven't already been discussed, as most of not all of these have been explained already.
     
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    The Woolwich Hacker cited one in his diatribe:

    "This is my nature. But we are forced by the Qur’an, in Sura At-Tawba, through many ayah in the
    Qu’ran, we must fight them as they fight us." ~Murdering Muslim citing the Koran as his reason for killing (no...BUTCHERING) a man in the streets of London

    Here is Sura At-Tawba http://quran.com/9
     
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    But we have already established you don't know what the Quran says.

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    No, just because you want there to be ''a truth,'' doesn't mean there has to be one.

    And even if there is one, doesn't mean to say that your religion is it.
     
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    And note, I am not saying that your belief is necessarily false, but you are saying that mine is.
     
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    Yes, it is accurate to what is there.

    They are called ''People of the Book'' in the Quran.

    It is not for me to judge who does and who does not follow their respective religious books.

    But of course you are free to judge others, if you wish to do so.
     
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    OK, whatever. I know the difference between truth and a lie, and I am supremely confident in that belief without the slightest hint of doubt.
     
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    There ya go, you got it. But is that not what you said to me in post #384?
     
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    Okay...That's what they are called....can you point to any? Where are they?

    I mean...we sort of need to know so they don't get hacked to death by accident.
     
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    From your link:

    Was this soldier fighting Muslims? If not, then obviously those who killed him weren't following the Quran.

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    To point to any, would be to judge.

    Like I said, it is not for me to judge, But feel free to judge if you wish to do so.
     
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    No, I didn't say your belief was false. What I said was that I don't believe it's true.

    There is a difference between knowing and believing. I don't pretend to know.
     
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    I do not pretend to know either, I do in fact know.
     
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    You believe that you know.
     
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    There's a lot of those out there, eh. Better do some more of that "peace-loving" evangelization for the Koran, because apparently there are a lot of Muslims out there with some really screwy beliefs..

    OH YEAH...if you try to do that, you put a TARGET on your head as an "unbeliever" and may get hacked yourself....


    Ah well....



    Kinda seems like chopping hands off unbelievers, hacking their heads off, and all that kind of stuff endorsed in the Koran is a tad "judgmental" doncha think? :roll:

    I say "pointing" to believers would be fine comparatively.


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    No. I know that I know by faith, I am absolutely convinced that what I believe is authentic absolute truth.
     
  21. Dusty1000

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    If you believe you follow the Christian teachings, then you would be judging yourself to be one of the ''People of the Book.''

    Is there anyone else you can point to, who you would judge as following the Christian teachings, or would you judge that others should be condemned to eternal punishment?

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    So you believe...
     
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    It's easy to point to those whom I think are living Christ's message--they are all over the place. I do not condemn individual souls--(nor do I kill "unbelievers")--but certainly I have no problem identifying someone as a believer.

    Here's one: [​IMG]



    Soooo....where are these People of the Book who are not Muslims, but rather Christian or Jew?
     
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    I guess you can boil it down to that. I know that what I believe is the absolute truth and that other religions is a lie.
     
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    Meh, i'm not going to read 30 pages of Takkiya (Lie to protect the Oumma ) and islamophily when both the creed " fight unbelivers wherever you find them" and the actual realities of terrorism in the name of Islam showed us this is not a peaceful dogma.

    Does the official clerik in Mecca call for Jihad, for holy combat yes or no ?
    Is the military jihad the best jihad for a muslim ( the 13th grade jihad, jihad of sword ) ? yes or No ? Is he insured to go to paradise (with houries whores ) after killing a unbeliever yes or not ?
    We got 2 military stabbed in one month in France. Both by muslims or recently converted. We have disarmed terrors cells planning to bomb in Germany and in France. We got a converted shouting "Allah Akbar" in the street of london. While a few false flag are doable, so much lone wolf for a peaceful religion you don't think ?
    Where are the christian stabbing people in Mecca ? Where are the jewish boming mosquee ? Where are the budhist taking muslims hostage. Where are the others religions holy war militants jihad organization.
    You can't defend that idelogy, it will end in a blood bath as long as there is "unbelievers" . There is not other way
     
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    You have just judged those who you believe are ''living Christ's message'' to be People of the Book, including the Pope. They are all individual souls, yes?

    And by extension, you judge those who you do not believe are ''living Christ's message,'' to eternal punishment.
     

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