Isnt this a really odd situation

Democrats today say that DACA people should not have to pay for the sins of their parents.

Yet these same democrats are trying to hold white people responsible for the sins of their forefathers 155 years ago.

Anyone here want to try and explain this??

 

If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport...

 

I don't get a lot of the rhetoric around race in this country. What does it mean to "hold white people responsible for slavery?"

 

The mental gymnastics to support left wing ideologues is astounding.

 

The mental gymnastics to support left wing ideologues is astounding.

 

What gymnastics are you talking about?

 

What mental gymnastics?

 

Anthony Johnson wasn't a white man.

He wasn't even a Mulatto.

But he went to the courts and argued that slavery should be legal in Colonial America and became the first legal slave owner in America.

 

@APACHERAT What does that have to do with the question I'm asking?

I'm trying to understand the frame being put forward here. What does it mean to "hold white people responsible for slavery?"

 

Muslims and Sub Saharan Africans are responsible for America's slavery in the past and slavery today.

 

I don't know if you don't understand my question or are just trying to avoid it.

What is the OP talking about here: "Yet these same democrats are trying to hold white people responsible for the sins of their forefathers 155 years ago."

 

Reparations and other forms of accommodations for slavery and Jim Crow. At least that is what I think he means.

 

Maybe that's what he's talking about, but it doesn't make any sense. Supporting reparations, like I do, doesn't mean holding white people (of which I am one) responsible for slavery.

 

Pretty sure the majority of white Americans ancestors hadn't arrived in America by 1864.

2/3 of all white Americans in 1864 lived north of the Mason Dixon Line.

 

The Op is just trying to find a way to bring up the subject of reparations (cause he thinks he can score political points that way). That's called playing the race card

 

Yeah, and even most white Americans in the early-mid 19th Century didn't own slaves.

The **** is your point? You're still not answering my question.

 

You say that yet I bet many would perceive it as such. If we were to pay reparations are we not paying for the sins of other men from the past?

 

Maybe you don't know what reparations means?

rep·a·ra·tion
/ˌrepəˈrāSH(ə)n/
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noun

1. the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
   "the courts required a convicted offender to make financial reparation to his victim

 

Maybe, and I'm saying they're wrong.

No, we would be paying to uplift a community oppressed for centuries. Hopefully, more than one community, as African-Americans aren't the only people oppressed by American political culture, just the most egregious example.

And who is "we?" I make decent money, and I think my taxes should probably go up a little bit. I'm white. My boss is an Arab who makes something on the order of a dozen times more than I do. His taxes should go up considerably, in part to pay for programs like reparations. Likewise, wealthy black rappers should have some of their wealth confiscated to pay for programs such as reparations.

 

What question do you need answered so you're not kept up all night long ?

 

Yeah, it's cast as a national sin to be atoned for.

Which, it is. I don't think even most conservatives would disagree with that.

I just don't understand why people are talking about "White people being held responsible for slavery."

What is the OP talking about here: "Yet these same democrats are trying to hold white people responsible for the sins of their forefathers 155 years ago."

 

There weren't any Muslims in West Africa.

 

"We" are the American tax payers. If it is as you say not "holding white people responsible" then why call it reparations? After all the definition is "the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged." That seems a little different then paying for a program to uplift people.

Now if on the other hand we want to institute more programs to help the disenfranchised no matter their ethnicity then I am all for it as long as we have proper mechanisms to pay for it. But we should be able to call things what they are. If on the other hands we want Americans to pay for slavery then so be it, sugar coating it helps no one and in fact lessens the significance of the program.

 

Here are some questions to help you figure out if you, white person, are responsible for the sins of your ancestors:


1. Do you practice racism? Then YES

2. Do you run around screaming that racism doesn’t exist? Then YES

3. Are you an “I’m colorblind” type of person? YES

4. Are you a “Slavery was a long time ago, get over it” type of person? YES

5. Are you a “b-b-but, I’m not racist” type of person? YES

6. Are you a “Black people can be racist too” type of person? YES

7. Are you a “That’s reverse racism” type of person? YES

8. Are you a “Pull yourself up by your bootstraps” type of person? YES

9. Are you a “My ancestors never owned any slaves” type of person? YES

10. Are you a “The Irish were slaves too” type of person? YES

11. Are you a “What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do” type of person? YES

12. Are you an “All lives matter” type of person? YES

13. Are you a “Blue lives matter” type of person? YES

14. Are you a “Make America Great Again” type of person? YES

15. Are you a “Colin Kaepernick is disrespectful for not standing” type of person? YES

16. Are you a “If you just listen to the cops, you won’t die” type of person? YES

17. Are you a “How come there’s no white history month” type of person? YES

18. Are you a “If we had a white awards show, blacks would say it’s racist” type of person? YES

19. Are you a “You weren’t a slave, why do you need reparations” type of person? YES

20. Are you a “Affirmative action is reparations for black people” type of person? YES

21. Are you a “B-b-but we need to wait on the facts & evidence to see if the cop is wrong” type of person? YES

22. Are you a “Trayvon Martin was a thug” type of person? YES

23. Are you a “If Tamir Rice didn’t have a gun, he wouldn’t have gotten shot” type of person? YES

24. Are you a “Eric Garner shouldn’t have resisted arrest” type of person? YES

25. Are you a “What about black on black crime” type of person? YES

26. Are you a “Take a look at what’s happening in Chicago” type of person? YES

27. Are you a “If you don’t like America, MOVE” type of person? YES

28. Are you a “America is not racist, we had a black President” type of person? YES

29. Are you a “I have black friends” type of person? YES

30. Are you a “I have a black girlfriend or boyfriend” type of person? YES

31. Are you a “My child is half-black” type of person? YES

32. Are you a “We’re all just Americans” type of person? YES

33. Are you a “It’s not racism, it’s a bunch of rich people trying to separate us” type of person? YES

34. Are you a “(insert random black person’s name), why are you so angry” type of person? YES

35. Are you a “You’re not like other black people” type of person? YES

36. Are you a “(insert random rich black person) is rich & complaining about racism” type of person? YES

37. Are you a “America never had racial issues until Obama became President” type of person? YES

38. Are you a “Why are they rioting & burning down their own communities” type of person? YES

39. Are you a “(insert random black woman’s name) can I touch your hair” type of person? YES

40. Are you a “The Black Panther Party was the same as the KKK” type of person? YES

41. Are you a “I fly my Confederate flag because it represents my Southern heritage” type of person? YES

42. Are you a “If black people can say *****, I should be able to say it too” type of person? YES

43. Are you a “My ancestors emigrated through Ellis Island, they had nothing to do with it” type of person? YES

44. Are you a “Africans enslaved other Africans first” type of person? YES

45. Are you a “Egyptians were not black” type of person? YES

46. Are you a “White supremacy? What’s that? There is no such thing.” type of person? YES

http://www.onyxtruth.com/2017/02/25/sins-of-ancestors/

 

Well, that's not true at all. Islamic elites dominated most of West Africa when the Europeans came sailing down the coast.