Israel’s abortion law now among world’s most liberal

Really, citizens have to be persons. Dogs, cats, birds are not considered citizens even if they are born in the US, and they are not persons, either. And in order to become a citizen of this country, you have to be born...i.e. a person.

And, the majority of America agrees with me, why we have Roe v Wade, why a fetus is not considered a person, why the right hasn't been able to change it, and I need comprehension classes?

The whole argument from the right, trying to make a fertilized egg be considered a "person" is so that a fertilized egg can override a real "person's" - rights. That seems a tad looney....you want to give a fertilized egg superiority over a woman.

 

The Supreme Court is made up of lawyers well-versed in understanding the law and interpreting it. Nobody cares that your interpretation is different or that you think their interpretation is wrong.

 

In correct you do not need to be a citizen to be a person. I've already stated SCOTUS got it wrong, I've pointed out reasons why throughout the thread. You do not need to be born to be a person either. And yes if you think eprson and citizen are the same you need comprehension classes.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/person-person living human, nothing about citizen mentioned
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/human being- human being=human
Now I know to be a citizen according to the constitution you need to be born, or naturalized, but that has nothing to do with person period.
A majority of America does not agree that abortion should be on demand at all times, in fact after week 12 a vast majority say it should not be legal. only about 20% say no restrictions, about the same that say absolute restrictions. I believe there should be exceptions. I'm willing to bet more people would be in favor of exceptions to rape/incest danger to the mother or fetus, or fetus already dead abortions as opposed to abortion on demand where the woman is free to kill the unborn at will.
Incorrect we want to give the unborn the same rights as everyone else, we are not taking away any rights of the woman. Also you do know left wing people are pro-life as well correct?

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a lot of people actually care. in fact over 50% agree abortion is wrong. don't take my word for it.

 

Yup, most people don't like abortion but the MAJORITY of Americans do NOT want to make it illegal.
Thinking it's wrong does not preclude wanting it to be legal.

 

Something else that's fascinating about the ORIGINAL TOPIC (that the "pro-lifers" don't want to discuss)....

imagine a USA where abortion has been banned....but a woman wants to travel to Israel (something many Christians, especially the "Rapture Ready" Christians aspire to or do)....

but because Israel is pro-choice, the woman has to receive a mandatory ultrasound before she can get on the plane....including the same Religious Right women who support banning abortion.....to make sure she's not going to "escape to Tel Aviv and kill her baby".

Makes you wonder if they'd just "take it, for the good of the cause"....or get a little angry?

 

80% want restrictions on it. 70% can care less about abortion. I find it disturbing that 70% of America is so unfocused on human life that they do nto care about a subject that brings life into the world, or takes it away

 

Maybe they're just too busy minding their own business, working, having fun, knowing the world isn't perfect but realizing they are not responsible for making it perfect, maybe they are people who don't believe in making other people's lives worse.........you know, NORMAL people.....

 

Exactly, focused on their OWN lives.

 

You mean people who only care about themselves. Yup that is normal these days. the future is my business and the future starts with the unborn.

 

No, I mean people who are just too busy minding their own business, working, having fun, knowing the world isn't perfect but realizing they are not responsible for making it perfect, maybe they are people who don't believe in making other people's lives worse.........you know, NORMAL people.....
Fortunately there's more of these normal people than those who want to make other people's lives worse.

 

I can tell you right now....any Conservative U.S. President who installed several Ultra-Conservative U.S. Supreme Court Judges...at least enough to over turn Rowe vs. Wade....would MAKE CERTAIN....that such Ultra-Conservatives chosen to be Judges were be TOLD before hand by such a President in his or her first term....NOT TO OVERTURN ROWE VS. WADE.

To do something like that would be total Political Suicide.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes the do nothings make peoples lives so much better. And eys fortunately there are some that want to make peoples lives better. Saving hundreds of thousands of lives a year does just that. Supporting the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of lives in the name of rights and liberty, to save a few hundred does nothing good

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Name one law that favors the rich?

 

The poster you quoted wasn't talking about laws that favor the rich, he was referring to the FACT that rich women will always be able to get an abortion easily even if it's illegal by flying out of the country.
All those Republican politicians who want to keep poor women down will always have the money to get an abortion or get their wives, girlfriends, daughters , mothers abortions....and they WILL.

 

I can tell you what was in a once secret GOP Platform outline and strategy dating back to the Nixon administration.

The GOP which receives a great deal of funding from large corporations who use various methods to pierce the $1000 donation limit per person....detailed out a specific GOP platform strategy that took into account the desires of such large Corps.

The GOP platform outline and remember this was a secret directive and not for public knowledge....specifically determined that certain very specific organizations would be given funding to create Grass Roots Ideological Orgs. that would advocate a Pro-Life agenda....an Anti-Labor and Anti-Union agenda....an Anti-Welfare State agenda...I happen to agree with that last one....and an Anti-Homosexual....Anti-Feminist and Pro-Christian outlook and interference within the Government and Schools.

Now the REASONS for such an outline is NOT for the purposes that most people would think.

Since this outline for a platform was basically CREATED with various Large Corporations one has to look at exactly WHY such Corps. would want to fund such agendas....and I will tell you.

Large Corporations want GROWTH....and what they consider ESSENTIAL to Corporate Growth and Profits....is determined to be A RELATIVELY FAST GROWING POPULATION.

Thus Legal Abortion is not in their best interest.

The other agendas are self evident such as establishing funding for the creation of groups that are Anti-Union or Anti-Labor.

Anti-Homosexual and Anti-Feminist group funding and creation is also specific to lower population growth.

As far as the Pro-Christian Agenda is concerned this was to energize the GOP base which tends to be very Christian and very anti-intellectual.

Thus such a base that considers intellectual ability to be anti-GOD is a base and group of people that the Mega-Corps. consider PLIABLE as example right now some of the lowest income level people who are Republican are so indoctrinated into such a Platform that even though they cannot even afford Healthcare...they are against Universal Healthcare being instituted which would most likely be free or very low cost to them.

AboveAlpha

 

Any law restricting abortion. Prove me wrong. Show where ANY law you can dream up to restrict or ban abortion....would effect a wealthy woman. Go ahead.

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See Rep. Scott DesJarlais, Republican of Tennessee.

 

I'll look him up but it's male, Republican, from Tennessee...my skin is crawling already...

Edited to add: Not that these things individually bother me but roll them altogether and ...eeewwww....

 

total nonsense spin of a typical democrat. don't have a real platform to run on, so make the republicans all about the rich keeping the poor down

 

That's easy only 42% of abortions are performed on poor women. Prove me wrong. go ahead. rich women have abortions too. Prove me wrong go ahead. Abortions affect everyone. Prove me wrong go ahead.
You judge all off the actions of a few. Wow you really need to get it together my friend

 

No, it's not ALL about Republicans although THEY ARE the ones who pretend they want to ban abortion to get votes from the ignorant.

It's more about :the FACT that rich women will always be able to get an abortion easily even if it's illegal by flying out of the country.
All those Republican politicians who want to keep poor women down will always have the money to get an abortion or get their wives, girlfriends, daughters , mothers abortions....and they WILL.
It is a fact that a ban on abortion will hurt poor and middle class women...wealthy women will have no problem getting an abortion....and THEY could have the kid without any financial burden.

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Who said rich women don't have abortions?????

Abortions affect everyone? You said it, YOU prove it.

 

allright first off I can personally give two poops about votes, mine is more about right verse wrong. I feel it is right to tell a woman no to save a life. I feel it is wrong to allow a woman to take a life, simply because it is her body.
It is a fact income levels has no bearing on my feelings. I very much am in favor of helping the poor. Also nobody has convinced me abortion helps anybody, let alone the poor. How ever having them hurts everyone and this is how
First off the woman getting the abortion will have injuries that occur during the abortion equal to, or greater then the pregnancy, just ehr body doesn't go through the adjustment readjust stage, she does die sometimes. Oh but 1/10 as often as pregnancy. Got it. Abortions kill 100% the time. Prgnancies a fraction of the time.
Also The economic impact the unborn would have if allowed to be born and become a part of society. Positives outweigh the negatives. another job to contribute to SS and medicare to increase the life of those programs. Yes eventually they'll be taking out, but their children will be contributing. Also tax revenues collected will outweigh taxes spent in a vast majority of cases. Also the life of the father is now changed, the life of the families involved are changed. The impact on the lives of people the human being would have come in contact with positive and negative will never be realized. You can say whatever you want, but it is a fact that i impact a lot of people in my life and eventually it comes back to u. My actions impact everyone. Doesn't take much to figure that out, just a little thinking outside the box and what's right in front of you
and nobody said rich women don't have abortions, you said abortion laws only affect poor people. Rich people are affected too. The fact they can get them still is irrelevant. The fact it will cost them thousands to do so is. The fact it wont be in this country is.

 

The last few senttences don't make any point whatsoever....(???)

 

Children cost money, so it's OK to kill them?
Most women do suffer effects from abortion. My country, my responsibility. You don't want to take responsibility for your country that's on you. I will be the voice for the ones who have no voice, no choice.
Jobs are always there, you gotta go get it. I gave you proof, you can't deny it, so you make stuff up.
I knew you couldn't think outside the box. Also knew since you think there are already *plenty* of people killing a few million here and there is no big whoop.
No you said abortions only effect the poor.

 

I said making abortions illegal only affects the poor...and that is true. THEY pay the price for having children they can't afford..... and YOU and I and others PAY for them.

Poor women can't go to another country or even another state to get an abortion as wealthy women can.

AND, as to jobs, we have thousands of live, living actual people from other countries pouring into this country to take up all the jobs and there's not enough to go around..., we don't need more people.

 

Nothing you have said is true.
Proof that a majority suffer effects? You don't pay attention to numbers do you and even those are under reported cause you don't have to report abortions or abortion related conditions. Who cares if they need my help? Quit arguing non points
i tell that to them everyday.
The attitude of im not responsible says a lot about why this country is going in the toilet
whatever helps you sleep at night on not supporting killing people, human beings, unborn whatever you wanna call it this week.
lots of jobs unfilled, i don't need to prove it look for yourself.

 

That post is so garbled I have no idea what your point is.
You say nothing I said was true...go sentence by sentence , in an orderly manner, and prove what I said isn't true.