Israel is National Socialist

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Bob Newhart, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You can't have a rational discussion with people who believe things that aren't true. It was those sort of white Jews who saved all those black Jews and brought them back to Israel before all those black and white Muslims could kill them. Note no one else in that part world things much more of Palestinians than the Jews do and for pretty much the same damn reason. Jews control Less than 20% of the Palestinian border the remainder is controlled by Jordan and Egypt. But some how it's Israel's fault that Egypt, and Jordan won't let them into their countries either.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Because they have their own geneological records some going back centuries.
     
  3. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder if you have problem understanding English, or maybe you just posted the wrong link.
    In case you don't know: in Israel this is not crime to get merry outside of ethnicity/religion/sex, but unfortunately in Israel there are only religious marriage ceremony performed, so the most popular way when marrying outside ethnicity/religion/sex is marriage in Cyprus.
    In case you read the link you posted - the law applies to Jews and non Jews . The law is "denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens". The law was created to prevent Palestinians from Gaza or West Bank to became Israeli citizens. It does not apply to any non-Jews from other places.

    Here some famous Jew-nonJew couples who are living in Israel:
    Lucy Aharish and Tsahi Halevi: Aharish is an Arab-Israeli news anchor and Halevi is a Jewish actor.

    Yuval Noah Harari and Mia Reich: Historian and author Harari is Jewish, while Reich is a non-Jewish artist and film producer.

    Asaf Barhum and Dana Baranes: Both actors, Barhum is Muslim and Baranes is Jewish.
     
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  4. Golem

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    "Raza" does NOT mean "race".

    But I'm a bit troubled by your comment because it has NOTHING to do with what I wrote.
     
  5. Esau

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    So why do most Ashkenazi say they are the lineal descendants of the biblical ISRAELITES if Judaism is a religion that ppl convert to?
     
  6. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe because most Ashkenazi do not say they are the lineal descendants of the biblical ISRAELITES? Or maybe if a convert marries a Jew, his children still can say they are the lineal descendants of the biblical ISRAELITES?
    Dont feel bad, I know it was very difficult to guess, I myself didn't know it, my friend found the answer. Believe me.
     
  7. Esau

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    So why do most, if not ALL, Ashkenazi say they are the lineal descendants of the biblical ISRAELITES if Judaism is a religion that ppl convert to?

    Find me one, just one Ashkenazi that says they're NOT descended from biblical Israel
     
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  8. garyd

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    Because they desire to and of course not all of them do. One suspects many of the African Jews have no better claim but in the end it doesn't matter a damn. The earliest claim goes to those of the Jewish faith from whence they sprang.whether they are lineal descendants or not they are still Jews By the way Even in Jesus day there were people converting to Judaism.
     
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    But the book of revelations warns us who are observant of the bible to be weary of those who claim to be Jews but are liars.
     
  10. Par10

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    Israel has pretty much nothing to do with national socialism. Definition:
    It is pretty telling though that you would compare Israel to the Nazi party when it's the Nazi party that created the strife between the Arabs and Jews in today's world and taught the Palestinians how to become terrorists in order to achieve the goal of killing all the Jews. Are you attempting this slight of hand for a reason?
     
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    Why exactly would a DNA test be necessary to determine if members of your family practiced Judasim? I think there is a little bit more here than what religion you or your parents practiced. This is something the Black Hebrews facing deportation from Israel are finding out.

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    https://www.voanews.com/a/black-hebrews-in-israel-face-threat-of-deportation/7190170.html
     
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  12. Bob Newhart

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    Oh my . . .

    The White Man's Burden.

    Wow, you said the silent part aloud for me. Thanks. You just outright admitted the racist bigoted context that Israel has been using.

    BTW, most of those jews - 130,000 of them came from Ethiopia . . . majority Christian. So that "before all those black and white Muslims could kill them" thingy is fictional. I know that people who eventually decide to read books instead of believe the propaganda on the idiot box will be able to have rational conversations.
    This sentence is grammatically messed up and is illegible. Could you rewrite it?
    Were you complaining about yourself when you said,
    There is a small sliver of border Gaza shares with the Egypt, but that's it.
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    Why would Egypt and Jordan want to participate in Israel's ethnic cleaning?

    Even a better question - Why do you support Israel's ethnic cleansing?
     
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    So, in the underlined, I've pointed the clear projection.

    In the bold, you've pointed out in addition to everything else, Israel does not have freedom of religion. And yes, that does make Israel even more National Socialist.

    In the bold and underline, you've simply reiterated what I said before but with more specifics. Israel fears and hates the ethnicity/race of the Palestinians - not their religion or their behavior. Palestinians who seek peace and incorporation with Israeli society are denied based on ethnicity/race. If they were a Jew or European living in the West Bank, they would have become part of the Israeli state instantly.

    When Israel refuses to let people work peacefully with them, why do people wonder why they're always at war?
     
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    Oh boy, another Wikipedia scholar. I am very not impressed.

    National Socialism is a form of socialism. Hence the name. National socialism is based on race.

    Fascism is also a form of socialism. Fascism is based on citizenship.

    Marxism is a form of socialism. Marxism is based on class.

    Equating National Socialism to Fascism is something those who support Stalinist agitprop have been doing for quite some time. Stalinists then called them the Right. They falsely labeled Fascism and National Socialism as capitalist which both were adamantly opposed to. In this way, socialists make capitalism the evil enemy of WWII. If you actually are interested in National Socialism, might I suggest the book

    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Nati...&dplnkId=15ad89eb-318c-4521-b03f-f0cdea476651
    When you wrote the underlined, are you referring to the Haavara Agreement?

    The bold is just fiction an never happened.

    As for the bold and underlined, you're projecting.
     
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    Maybe what @garyd said applies here.
     
  16. Bob Newhart

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    I agree. Almost all of the Israeli propaganda is in English and heavily directed at U.S. citizens.
     
  17. Par10

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    Would you rather be a black Jew in Israel or any kind of non-Arab in Gaza? How about a non-Arab woman in Gaza?
    So you are saying that Skorzeny never went to Egypt after the war? Never trained Arabs, including Arafat, to fight against British troops in the Suez Canal zone?

    That's a bold statement.
     
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    I already wrote about : when I lived in Israel there was an emigration wave of Blacks from the US to Israel. They settled in the town of Dimona. They had excellent basketball team and great music group and many organizations invited both for different celebrations. All Israelis wondered - why these people are leaving the US to settle in our poor, war warn country? After a while Blacks explained - they are the true Jews and Israelis are just pretenders. There was a big confusion in the media, until some newspaper published an article: in the US some racist invented a plan how to get rid of Blacks in US and to hurt Jews - the plan was to convince Blacks that they are true Jews and that Israel belongs to them. This plan could work only on primitive uneducated people, because the Hebrew Bible has different word for Jews and different word for Blacks. Also Palestine was occupied by Greeks and Romans before Jesus, and there are many written sources about this time - and none is mentioning that Jews were Black, but I guess this racist theory still can convince uneducated people. I tried to find more information - but it was in pre-Internet times and could not find any. But here is the information about Blacks from Dimona:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Hebrew_Israelites_in_Israel
     
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    Well - I think you are right - it is more fun discussing using your logic, so here it is:
    Islam is the National Socialism, it means there is National Socialism in Gaza, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and more.
    Yes, Israel has no freedom of religion, and all citizens of Israel are forced to be religious Jews, the only place with freedom of religion is Gaza, places under Palestinian Authority and Iran.
    Palestinians seek peace and incorporation, the last time they sought peace and incorporation was on Oct 7.
     
  20. Bob Newhart

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    You do realize Israel is and has been indiscriminately bombing Gaza?

    Your question is absurdly silly.

    But let's say that Gaza was not being blockaded by Israel, the sea and ports were open, the airport was allowed to exist, Israel wasn't bombing the city and killing people at random and as well as killing anyone who they didn't like. The Gazan's have the full ability to build infrastructure and retain all water and mineral rights. The Gazans have their air force and air defense to protect against militant Israel

    In that case, I'd rather be a non-Arab in Gaza than a black Jew in Israel.
    Did that happen before or after he was officially denazified?
     
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    The literal translation is inaccurate. NO Spanish speaker who grew up in a Hispanic culture (mainly in Latin America) would interpret the phrase "La Raza" the way an English speaker understands "the race". In fact, "Raza" is usually capitalized because it includes a combination of ALL the ethnicities from which Latin Americans inherited their culture.

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    Oh boy is this a dumb thread. Ethno-nationalism isn't National Socialism. Most nations are (or were) at root, ethno-nationalist. That's the basis for countries being formed as separate political entities.
     
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    It takes a lot in insensitivity to compare Jewish people with the Nazis.
     
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    because the term is rife with negative associations
    . From Nazis to communists
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    Well I assume that's why the OP is doing that, but in fairness he isn't the only, or first one to do that on this forum. There has been quite a lot of that since October 7th.

    But I'm not disagreeing because it's insensitive, but because it's historically inaccurate and without any truthful basis.
     
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