Israel, Mired in Ideological Battles, Fights on Cultural Fronts

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French government officials repeat world's longest-running joke:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.700329

 

Drew boy, you can throw what (*)(*)(*)(*) you like, it will not change the fact you use Jew Hater and anti semite, remember it is not me who insults people. We are discussing why they call anyone who disagrees a Jew hater, you cannot answer it. Stick to the point Drew boy!

 

Except that I was replying to Dutch and his little innuendo's, nudge nudge wink wink we all know the real reason! Funnily enough we can critisise real democracies without being called Jew Hater! The UK should never have made the Balfour Agreement, remember us British have to live with allowing the monster to be born on the dead bodies of Arabs.

 

I am sticking to the point. That point being that to demonize, deligitimize or apply double standards to Israel or any other nation or peoples is wrong. I don't call anybody a Jew Hater unless they act outside the guidelines put forth by the US State Department on how to identify antisemitism when criticizing Israel. If one uses sound, verifiable and factual arguments that do not apply double standards then all is good but when they do not, there is a reason and outside of insanity, hate is usually that reason.

You on the other hand believe it is perfectly fine to use tactics which are officially identified as antisemitic. I really don't care if you hate Jews or love them but, you sure come off like one who does by the way you defend the tactics used by racists.

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The above comes from one who uses little innuendo's such as "Drew boy"

 

Sorry Drew , you are the one who uses Jew Hater, not me. Carry on spewing the (*)(*)(*)(*), its (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hilarious!

I call people Jew Hater because the US state department told me so!

 

I only call those who hate Jews that Ria. You on the other hand defend them. I need not wonder why as birds of a feather flock together.

88 to you Ria!

 

You call anyone who criticizes Israel, Jew Hater, it is laughable that you think you can tell who is antisemetic from a forum, except for some of the really extreme.

You could not be more wrong, punched more 88 than you have probably seen. 81 AFFA.

 

LOL, no they dont.

And anyway, Im not ever applying a double standard to anyone more than you do. In fact you do it all the time here.

 

Because its negatives directly reflect on the US-Israeli relationship, and weaken the US here at home. If Israel really were a robust, modern and moderate democracy she would have had an easier time building coalitions, even with them damned Arabs. I won't excuse the behavior, but it takes two to tango. Without the Samson Option, we would've long washed our hands of Israel.

Regrettably, nuclear proliferation has kept us as unlikely "friends".

 

Nope, not if they don't fall within the three D's of antisemitism. As for you attempting to pretend that it is perfectly fine to use delegitimization, demonization and double standards against any nationality it certainly spells your values out in capital letters.

And a big 88 to you my defender of those who use the three D's of antisemitism, even if you punched them out after you defended their way of propagating their hatred of Jews..

 

I doubt you will be able to provide the reams of quotes and links to my words to prove that I apply double standards "all the time." Feel free to back this up with something other than what you just pulled out of thin air for lack of a sound counterpoint.

 

Every thread on the internet where Israel gets hammered you’ll find the ignorant zios all waffling inanely about Jew hatred like it’s a thing.

It’s a thing to zios, that’s for sure, because their (non) arguments fall to pieces without the backbone of the lie they tell themselves that the planet is awash with this amorphous blob of people who hate Jews.

There are dumb white supremacists here, they wail and gnash and barf up their idiocy regularly, they whine about whiteness endlessly, all the while co-opting sane white people into their dystopian little worldview by default.

Same with the crappy zios, they co-opt all Jews into their craven little worldview and then attack anyone who’s critical of their (*)(*)(*)(*)ed beliefs and smear non Jews with the Jew hater tag and smear Jews who dissent as some kind of aberration to normal Jewry, like they have some hideous disease.

So yeah, I do see Jew hatred going on, zios practice it 24/7.

 

By "zio" I take it you mean those who believe the ethnoreligious group known as 'Jews' should have a home in their ancestral homeland? If so, what is wrong with an ethnoreligious group having a home in their ancestral homeland?

 

I do not get the French Government at all. It calls criticising Israel antisemitism, makes supporting BDS liable to get you a jail sentence and yet is always shuffling around apparently trying to get the two state solution in operation.

If this is true then France is threatening to go further then any other European country except Sweden though of course what she does then would remain to be seen. I just do not understand her inconsistency. Not allowing French people free speech over Israel, not allowing her citizens freedom of political action over BDS and she also supports and allows to be active The Jewish Defence League. I am going to make a guess at this strange inconsistency - though it is very much a speculation. Ministers in France's government are heavily represented by Jews - and I know there is some other reason why France has in recent history had a strong Israeli bent but I cannot remember what it is

Anyway if we choose to believe for a moment that the current Government is strongly influenced by the Jews within that Government, then where does this massive inconsistency come from. On the one hand restricting free speech and political freedom concerning Israel and on the other being prepared to go as far as France herself recognising Palestine which up till now the only other European country which has gone this far is Sweden, though many could follow if France took this step. The only thing I can think of of the top of my head is that France's Jews, like most moderate Jews want a two state solution, believe that is fair. They also like most Jews have some feeling for Israel so do not want to see it affected by BDS, that France is calling criticism of Israel antisemitism also suggests a somewhat biased stance.

Maybe it is that. Most moderate Jews do believe that the Palestinians should get some justice and possibly that is what is coming out in the seeming incongruence coming from France on this issue. That a two state solution is still possible given Israel's expropriation of the land for that state as well as the ability for it to be viable and contiguous is pretty much accepted by both sides as no longer being feasible. Israel is busy annexing the West Bank. Some of her supporters even claim the West Bank is Israel ...the Palestinians in the above quote correctly talking about working to end the occupation. Israel has made clear she will not involve herself. Will France really then recognise a Palestinian State and if she does will she then take responsibility for ensuring it's safety from persecution. Interesting riddle.

 

No, this thread is about far-right nutters. In this case they happen to be Israeli nutters. Of course you're free to defend nutters as much as you want. Furthermore I think you'll find on closer examination that what you want to believe is hatred of Jews is, in fact, a hatred of the policies of its government. That they happen to be predominantly Jewish is irrelevant-except, of course, to lock-step worshippers of that pariah state for whom any hint of criticism brings forth the laughingly predictable whining about 'anti-Semitism'.

 

Sure. I don't need to quote you when I know your views. You contend that palestinians had no reason to oppose the takeover of their land when it's what every other people have always done. That's the basic double standard you operate on.

Further you oppose the action of violence by palestinians against Israel while applauding all Israeli action

 

The Palestinians never declared war either formally or informally. They aren't that stupid that they'll legitimize their own annihilation.

 

Maybe someone should alert these utterly retarded Jews who pine for a home that Israel exists.

There goes that argument, eh.

So what's zionism for now that the reason for its existence is fulfilled and the Jews have that home?

Supremacy, racism, persecution, superiority, violence, and all swaddled in the most unhealthy of paranoia and brutish smears towards anyone who even dare take a critical peek at any of it.

 

Frankly I couldn't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) what Israel's sponsor and arse kisser-in-chief defines as anti-Semitic; probably anything even vaguely critical gets defined as such.

 

Nothing wrong, except they annexed a land belonging to an indigenous people and kicked them out. They treated the Palestinian just like they were treated in Nazi Germany and they somehow expect for peace and kumbaya?

Any real serious attempt at peace can only start when Israel recognizes the right of return. These people have a right to return to the villages and homes that were outright demolished. Only truly living as neighbors will end this conflict.

Either that, or the State of Israel governs over the Gaza Strip and all of Palestine. There will eventually be a unified state, one way or another. And it's up to Israel to be pragmatic to achieve it. At this rate, peace and unification of the Koreans is easier than the Israeli-Palestinian quagmire.

 

That would be silly.

Israel is genuinely proud of its achievements in insuring that all citizens receive excellent medical care and social services as needed.

 

That's an oxymoron, my friend

 

Because they have been getting US foreign aid since 1948.

 

They are.