Israel, Mired in Ideological Battles, Fights on Cultural Fronts

Them and just about every other country in the world. Why do YOU single Israel out?

 

Check the numbers.. Israel has always gotten the lion's share of the budget.. They have received more foreign, longer for a tiny population than any other recipient.

 

" ZIONIST IDEOLOGY & ISRAELI POLICIES; NOT 'THE JEWS'"

If one is unable to defend indefensible atrocities, what better disingenuous rhetorical ploy could there be than howl a sort of "Epithet of Mass Destruction" like "anti Semite" which is really the "White Flag" of a debunked debater?

I can't think of anyone who happens to oppose the criminality of the Terrorist State of Israel or the narcissistic, violent & racist "Free Land" crowd it attracts who hates Jews. If Judaism is really a kind & virtuous religion, then the real Jews are the grossly outnumbered members of "B'selem", "Jewish Voice for Peace".......

........ you know, those "Self Hating Jews"

It just so happens that the world's most easily remedied Ethnic Cleansing project & Human Rights disaster today happens to be the product of a demented collection of atheistic Zionist freeloaders who hide behind the Jewish faith and conveniently brand their country "The Jewish State" while a majority of Israelis celebrate IDF's massacres with cheerful picnics:



“Child-killing sociopaths of Israel”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=932_1409986168

EXCERPT “What is wrong with Israelis?

Every time Israel embarks on a new round of wholesale slaughter in Gaza, polls show that more than 90% of Israelis support the butchery.

For Israelis, mass-murdering children is a spectator sport. When the IDF starts dropping cluster bombs, white phosphorous, DIME munitions and other horrendous weapons on Gaza, crowds of Israelis pack the hilltops to barbecue meat, drink alcohol and cheer as they watch Palestinian children being blown to bits.



Every day in Israel’s major cities, mobs of Israelis gather to hunt down and brutalize Arab children and teenagers. Police stand by as they beat their victims into unconsciousness.

According to Israeli blogger Elizabeth Tsurkov, the mobs’ favorite chant is: “Tomorrow there’s no school in Gaza, they don’t have any children left.”

Israelis proudly tweet their desire to murder children:

“Kill Arab children so there won’t be a next generation,” “Stinking Arabs may you die, amen,” and “Arabs may you be paralyzed and die with great suffering” are some representative tweets exposed by Israeli journalist David Sheen.”CONTINUED

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I don't necessarily believe that that 90% of Israelis enjoy IDF's massacres as the blood sport it is but even half of that is emblematic of a sick society.

Yes, there are devout, well educated Jews but they are not the ones who curse Israel's Christian population (*),spew Hasbara drivel, murder children for sport[1] & drive the most heavily subsidized Military machine against a systematically persecuted native population.

When I say "most easily remedied", I mean that the Zionist State could not afford to slaughter civilians by the thousands, throw up "Peace Busting" Settlements, relentlessly steal land, build Apartheid Walls & saturate members of Palestine's Native Residents with horrifying & lethal Chemical Weapons that cause human flesh to "fall off like jelly"[2]. That is the mindset of the atheistic, Zionist Terrorist Gangs that invaded Palestine under British protection, widespread, global funding & top notch German Military[3] ..... not devout members of the Jewish faith.


If Americans who are aware of the atrocities committed by the Zionist state & still want to send their donations & voice their support for the Zionist members of Zionist state think that their gullibility is appreciated, they should remember that Israel's Zionists must know that there's a good reason the P.T. Barnum of "There's a Sucker born every Minute." fame chose America to make his fortune:

“What do Israelis think about Americans”
http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/
EXCERPT “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lif(*)(*)(*)(*)z, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.”CONTINUED



So every time you hear or read "You're an anti Semite" or its many versions, from another defender of the criminal Zionist Regime, please temper the satisfaction of having just won a debate with a little pity for another owner of "Dead Sea" mud.



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(*) “Jewish Extremists' Leader: Christians Are 'Blood Sucking Vampires' Who Should Be Expelled From Israel”
Benzi Gopstein, head of Lehava, calls to ban Christmas in the Holy Land: 'Let us remove the vampires before they once again drink our blood.'
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693132


[1] “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/



[2] “Medical personnel claim Israel tested new weapons during attacks on Gaza”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-new-weapons-during-attacks-on-gaza-1.1919645

EXCERPTS “Doctors and an ambulance officer believe Israel tested new weapons during its July 8th – August 26th assault on the Gaza Strip.

“The five children from the al-Jaal family in Zeitoun were the strangest thing I ever saw in my life.”

The room where three girls and two boys...
... “Their bodies were hot. Their hair and skin were black liked charred wood. When their parents arrived at the hospital, they didn’t recognise them,”

Dr Sobhi Skaik, chief surgeon and medical director at Shifa hospital and a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh, told me earlier: “We saw third-degree burns that cannot be explained; neither flame burns nor chemical burns.

It was as if the patient became mummified, and most of them died. Their skin blackened and their tissue became tough and solid. I saw dozens of patients like this in the intensive care unit,

. “I saw more than a dozen bodies that looked normal, with no marks or wounds. But when we touched them they were slippery. If you tried to pick them up, the flesh fell off like jelly. We had to roll them in blankets.”CONTINUED


[3] “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
EXCERPT : “150 000 Jews in Hitler’s(*)Army
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/150-000-jews-in-hitlers-army/


[3] “Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army”
http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html

 

Tell you what Drew, if you ever face a full on skinhead with a swastika tattoo on his neck and a knuckleduster on his fist, you be sure and test him for the 3D's. Let me know how you get on with that!

 

I agree that every nation can be legitimately criticized for their policies. One only has to look at the criticisms expressed WITHIN Israel to get an idea that there are lots of differing opinions.

OTOH, when you start calling a nation of people a "monster", thats like putting your thumb on the scale.

I know of only a handful of nations whose birth was not accompanied by blood and bodies. India, US, the UK, virtually every european country, Russia, you name it.

But somehow, its Israel that is the monster in your view. Highly selective which begs the question.
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Now Margot, you know very well that israel does not receive humanitarian aid. That aid is in the form of military grants and there is a requirement that the majority of the money be spent on AMERICAN weapons and technology. You are also very aware of the circumstances of how that military aid came into being.

Why don't you whinge about Egypt in your comparison as well?

 

Not in the modern age... that's why we didn't let Saddam keep Kuwait or Germany keep Poland.

 

You certainly do when you accused me of ....

So, since you cannot back up your personal slur with anything factual we can all put this matter to bed.

 

May 15 1948 they were a member of the Arab League and did so with the Cablegram to the Secretary General of the UN stating they were entering the Mandate to govern. Since then, their official policy is to destroy Israel through violence.

 

Maybe somebody should tell those who oppose Israel that it is here as well so they need only to make peace with it. Glad to see we are both on the same side.

 

Yes, anything that defines antisemitism is an affront to you and provokes anger.

 

True however, as we all know there was no nation in the Mandate Territory so, the UN recommended that two be formed to accommodate both parties in this matter.

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Will do! PM me your address so I can send the pictures .... wait, you'll probably be there defending his right to do that anyhow so never mind.

 

You are apparently the spokesperson for your "pro-Muslim Lobby," about which I have not commented.

 

I have not seen anything positive.


From their founder who was half responsible for the Holocaust, to their blasphemy against the Jewish god, to their inception and theit massacre and expultion of the Palestinian people.

I noticed that every zionist is a racist. They cry and call other people to do the same for an Israeli who is killed. But they show no concern, even when know what Israel has done.


Instead they refer to few hundred killings of civilians. Israel has expelled 750,000 civilians. Took their land and property, have massacred entire town. While domolishing other whole town.

Instead of showing concern for the Palestinian people and disgust at Israel ethnic cleansing. They play Israel as a victim saying how bad they suffered. Well they are now committing blasphemy against their own god. Whom I doubt most Jewish zionists believe in.

They say how much the Jewish people have suffered, and they use what happened hundreds of years ago as a excuse to justify their actions today. Like we still use the moral code from those times. They use this argument like the people of Palestine had anything to do with it.

Opression begets agression.


You cannot say that Israel is not oppressing Palestinian.

Israeli ethnic cleansing, massacres, mass demolitionstorage of homes, and expultion is what started and incited the violence. And guess what? Now Israel is planning to built even more settlements on occupied land.


But I don't see your concern. Your racism prevent such concern for innocent lives.

And I have seen that racism that drives your bias. You argue that the Palestiniansame should submit themselves to that agression and opression just because some Israeli people have suffered under the Palestinian attacks. How many Palestinian people have suffered under Israeli?

1 in 3 refugees today are Palestinian as a result of Israeli ethnic cleansing. But there is no concern for them from your side.One in three refugees world wide is Palestinian.

There are about 6.5 million Palestinian refugees worldwide. More than 3.8 million Palestinian refugees and their descendents displaced in 1948 are registered for humanitarian assistance with the United Nations.



Take your racist bigotry elsewhere.


The most disgusting thing about a zionist is the sheer racism that makes up their bias. This allow zionists to constantly paint themselves the victims. The same racism that makes them morally blind.


Israel has done nothing positive for the world.

Zionist has incited the Holocaust and carried out another one.

 

No that's rubbish. You asked for a quote. I went even better and stated your views. Even better.

As for personal slurs you're doing the very same thing on this thread right now by accusing everyone of anti semitism.

Moreover you are well known here for applying the very same three d's here to palestinians. You're a quite ridiculous figure again here drew making such personal claims against everyone here.

Again. You've embarrassed yourself.

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Banging your head against the facts again drew.

Same old emoticon response. The response of a witless adolescent.

 

Israel has done nothing positive? Ridiculous. Nor does it need to.

 

Hardly as my views are that if you are making an argument that does not attempt to vilify, delegitimize or apply double standards to the state of Israel then you are not posting anything antisemitic. You have still yet to prove your point and, me stating what my actual views are destroys your new cop out.

Doubling down are we, please supply the quotes of me calling 'everybody' antisemtic who has not attempted to demonize, delegitimize or apply double standards to Israel on this thread. Heck, as a warmer upper quote me calling anybody antisemitic on this thread otherwise we can surmise you are lying.

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Once again, how about some proof of this.

I asked for proof, you have none yet continue to make personal attacks. I'd say that was pretty ridiculous and immature to say the least. Why is it you need to just pull stuff out of the blue to insult others, I see that from time to time you actually have a good post so wonder what is going on at this time that can account for this degradation in your posts.

I'm not the one calling others names without supplying proof as you have for the past day. Good luck with whatever is bothering you, hope it all works out.

Wrong poster, that was Dutch. Maybe you need to take a break. I mean, making insulting accusations you can't or refuse to prove and now mixing up posters you are responding to.

So you believe that responding to a post that states the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust deserves a well thought out reply? Please, tell us why it does and, what that reply might be........

.....unless of course you are a witless adolescent in which case, just insult others and make wild accusations with no proof at all to back it up with.

 

No ive already proven the point by explaining your views on the palestinians where you exemplify the same vilification etc as you acuse others of here.

Your view that if you are making an argument that does not attempt to vilify, delegitimize or apply double standards to the state of Israel then you are not posting anything antisemitic is utter hogwash. One can simply be wrong about Israel on a number of fronts without being in any way anti semitic. Just as one may be wrong about Nigerians without being racist.

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As above, youve called everyone here anti semitic who makes an argument against Israel you dont happen to like, again one can be quite wrong without being racist or prejudiced. And as for quotes, every single post in which you determine that someone who argues against Israel using double standards, vilification or demonisation is automatically anti semitic by failing your three 'tests' is a clear example of applying double standards.

Every sngle post you make that broad brushes palestinians is a clear example of you applying your three d's against everyone else who ciritcises Israel but not against yourself. Pick any post you make.

Quit acting all butthurt when youve only been called out on your bs against the other posters in this forum. Once again youve been found out - get over it.

You're accusing others here of anti semitism, and to do it you claim that the US State dept's definition is both leigitimate in itself and can be applied here. Thats a fraudulent and cowardly argument. Im defending this forum against your sock puppet pals like Korozif who think they can swan back here and abuse everyone else again. I dont need your blessing or consideration.

Whats really the difference between any of you? And Dutch is well known for his emoticon garbage.

It does deserve a well thought out reply because this is a debate forum - theres nothing to prevent you from simply calling out the poster on the facts. For example, Ive simply told this poster that the notion that Israel has done nothing positive is ridiculous, Israel certainly has and moreover it doesnt even need to 'do something positive'. Nor does it need to justify itself.

Thats the trouble with you Drew as well as the other pro Israeli American nutters here, as a Pro Palestinian Im actually a much better defender of Israel than youll ever be - at the first sign of something you dont like you run from the argument and simply start throwing the anti semitic label about. If you really had its interest at heart, like I do, youd stand up like a man for yourself and for your counter arguments.

 

I ask for a quote and you come back with a vivid imaginary account. As a sound counter point I shall just say you are lying and as proof, I direct you to my posting record of some six thousand posts none of which call anybody an antisemitic without proof.

True so then, you get it. If one can simply criticize Israel without applying double standards that they would not or do not apply to other nations or peoples, demonize the nation through insults and association with invective of religion and orthodox minorities or delegitimize the collective right to exist as a collective peoples in their own nation where it is then it is perfectly fine and is not antisemitic.

I've asked you to provide examples and you have not. If i have called everybody anti semitic without proof then there ought to be many examples you could provide yet you don't which leads me to believe you are lying.

Not so. I don't recall any attempts to delegitimize the Palestinians right to exist in a collective nation yet many do that against Israel simply when they call it an apartheid nation in the hopes this fallacy will gain traction as an apartheid nation is not a democratic one and therefore can be quickly said to not be a legitimate nation.

Not my test but rather one that has been adopted by experts in antisemitism. You would be wise to learn about it and understand it if you are concerned about whether or not you are antisemitic or not.

I don't broad brush Palestinians though. I make a clear distinction between Hamas and the PA and the people. Hamas sets up terrorist firing positions in the midst of populated areas and like the PA, has the violent destruction of Israel as their official policy. Nowhere have I even mentioned the people who are simply attempting to get on with their lives. Palestinians have a nation and deserve to get the control over all their land but, this can only be achieved by them rescinding their declaration of war and striking the violent destruction of Israel from their official positions.

Nowhere in the above is there demonization, delegitimization or the application of double standards towards Palestinians.

Not hurt at all. Just find it rather amusing that you continue to lie when a simple apology for your lack of providing proof to back up your lying insulting crap would suffice.

It's not legitimate? So posting slurs, lies and holding others to standards you don't expect of your own enemies is fine with you? Wait ...... you covered all that when you state things about me that you can't prove yet call it proof so don't bother answering that one.

The difference is you don't know who you are replying to which shows you are fairly mixed up, probably because you simply hate yet have no time to conduct proper research to prove your lies which explains why you just run around frothing and accusing others of stuff you won't back up like this issue with me.

Oh really, is that why you slander me and others and when asked for proof make a the 'proof is out there' sort of cop out reply. What a well thought out reply for this "Debate Forum." Physician, heal thyself.

Another cop out. I asked what well thought out reply one would make to a person who stated that the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust. You ran from that one just as you continue to make accusations and insults against others that you will not defend. You are becoming irrelevant.

Proof please.

Oh never mind, it's just Creation, the guy who just throws crap out and hopes some of it sticks.

 

Its not imaginary, its exactly spot on. You frequently have called posters anti semitic on this forum, using the proof that you find their arguments unfair.

If you feel unfairly treated, youre free to say that Ive mistaken your opinions. Id like to see you wriggle that one again.

LOL. I get it, bu you dont. Your arguing that the application of double standards etc makes one an anti semite when it comes to Israel when it can instead either simply mean they are anti Israel. Moreover one can demonise Israeli military action and foreign policy without ever being guilty of anti semitism. In the same way I can demonise Serbian actions against Bosnians without being anti slav.

Youve started this very thread by making it your claim against posters right here, using the US State dept.

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...logical-battles-fights-cultural-fronts-4.html

Here we see you asking who Ria Reab hates jew or Arab , because according to you, by applying double standards etc rather than being simply wrong he has, in your opinion, automatically demonstrated hatred against an ethnic group of Israel.

In either case, Jew or Arab, you are found to be implicitly accusing this poster of anti semtism.

LOL. The right to exist has no meaning beyond the pontifications of Mr Renan. And an apartheid nation can indeed be a democratic one within its own protected political community just as the whites were over the blacks and just as the Israelis are over the occupied Palestinians they choose to take land from and build neighborhoods in the West Bank among. Your fakery is exposed.

LOL. There are experts in the history of anti semitism all across the world, not only in the state department, and despite their widespread geogrpahy they have not once managed to change the definition of anti semitism to include unfair criticism of Israel.

LOL, cowardly nonsense.

Hamas sets up firing positions all across its areas of operations. Not only from populated areas - unfair criticism and vilification and demonisation of political leadership.

Likud and ther parties have long claimed to every inch of land in eretz israel for generations, a double standard.

Israel has not declared war, it has occupied and annexed Palestinian land. Again a double standard.

Simple proof, that you yourself can fail your very own test you proclaim as the gold standard from the US State department.

LOL, if you found it amusing you would crack a joke. Instead we see whinging and the usual double standards, vilification and demonisation you accuse everyone else of.

LOL, I told you that every post you make commits these same errors and then you prove it when you already failed your own test. Again.

LOL, whatever you silly anti-semite.

LOL, in fact I referenced every single post you make on this issue, then demonstrated it above.

LOL, you asked about replying to a comment about the Holocaust . I responded to a comment in the same post that Israel had contributed nothing positive. Both comments can be reasonably responded to. The comment I responded references the only comment worth responding to.

Im a better defender of Israel than you or your sock puppet pals will ever be. Only question is, while you obviously enjoy being here and need and want a vigorous debate on this subject why do you berate others for spending time criticising Israel? Why do you come here to praise Israel for whatever it does? Dont you get that youre only doing the equal and opposite of the most ardent israel & jew haters here with your anti Palestinian rubbish? Or does that just fly over your head as usual?

Given. Over and over.

Yeah its Creation, the guy that hoists you on your own petard again and again and scewers you and your silly American pals and sock puppets over and over. See above.

 

There's a difference between anti-semitism and hating many of the immoral actions of the Israeli state, actions that many Israelis object to themselves. To confuse hatred of Jews with moral judgment of Israel's actions is simply foolish.

 

Downgraded your lying accusation from 'everybody' and 'always' to 'frequently' now have we. Sorry, you said;

You said 'everyone here' now prove it as it is not worth discussing anything with a liar. Quotes and links please, not a summary of your feelings and hunches.

As for the rest, I debate using facts, not lies. Might seem strange to debate something with another who is not the same as you but, you have to learn what a fact is and what a lie is at some point.

 

Quite true. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine just as long as it's right to exist are not in question and it is held to the same standards as other nations. Some here have great difficulty with these broad parameters though for reasons which are attributed to one thing as they interchange Jew with Zionist and back to Israeli at the flip of a coin.