Is it true that Ariel Sharon (the cabbage) may be awake ? Israel's former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who suffered a huge stroke seven years ago that has since left him in a vegetative state, has shown signs of significant brain activity say doctors treating the 84 year-old http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...icant-brain-activity-say-doctors-8469099.html
Well that depends on what you mean by overwhelming however it didn't happen and it hasn't since and there has always been a significant majority. Those behind the partition plan did not see the necessity of ethnic cleansing. Did you read the critics section at the bottom of your wiki link? Have you read the book and the reviews of it? What do you think about Ian Blacks critic? It is not unusual for large migrations of people to be the result of of the founding of new nations or borders is it? Would you say all these cases are ethnic cleansing for example the partition of India? You say you assume they went to Israel, why do you not think they were cleansed just as you say Arab Palestinians were? What about the Jews in other parts of the Arab world? Do you assume they went to Israel too or were they maybe cleansed?
We are discussing the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Apparently Ben-Grunion did see the necessity of it.
Because the 'choice' was given to either move and why it was agreed upon, but then 67' screwed up everything. it was the creation of israel by force, as to why pakistan/india broke up. Bet you didnt know that. removed from the lands, farms, homes and miles of palestinian land. A bunch are in gaza (concentration camps of uprooted refugees (widows and orphans of 70yrs of oppression) They had no problem prior to the world experiencing israelis occupation. There are more christians in Iran, than in israel and doing fine. It aint iran and the muslim world that is imposing to Palestinians by force, it is the bigots that believe god gave it to them, that are the pigs of the divide
No, they weren't antisemitic, or anti anything else. Not sure which ones you are talking about with Arafat etc. etc. so you'd have to come with some examples to compare with this caricature. That said I am under no obligation to voice my objection to every objectionable caricature naturally!
Of course not. That would mean being consistant. You'd rather choose the animation that offends the 'chosen people'....and complain about that. Even if the message in it is true. We get it. We see this. We understand.
You asked, apparently you didn't know. What is the relevance of the video? Does it justify antisemitic caricatures in your mind? Well being worse than Julius Streicher then you are very far from being someone who likes to see what you can do to stop oppression, war crimes, genocide and atrocities against human beings! I see you regard yourself as something of a prophet. Isn't that unislamic?
We can't discuss this without some reference points. First we need to determine what constitutes ethnic cleansing of a land. I don't know whether your quote is accurate or the context in which it was made however as I have pointed out it did not happen to the degree I believe it is reasonable to call it such as you do. Whatever it clearly wasn't necessary or Israel wouldn't be the Jewish state it is today with a significant uncleansed Palestinian Arab minority!
He saw it nessecary to stop the Arab raids, and I couldnt agree more. There are many Muslim villages in Israel (not WB) that did not fight and took Israeli citizenship, they are the Israeli Arabs, there were those that did fight and refused citizenship, they fought and lost, died or ran away, those are the refugees. An ethnic cleansing that leaves so many Muslim Villages intact is not really ethnic cleansing. the only reasonable explanation (aside from conspirecies no one can prove) is its not the ethnic that played part as much as being peacful/warlike did.
Ah. Would you agree that any machine-gun murders of people in a mosque which leave some worshipers standing is not really murder ? Give us an idea of the percentages of arabs who must be killed or driven out before your version of what constitutes ' ethnic cleansing ' comes into play.
So you call (approx) 20 percent - Significant ? How can you explain the transformation/population switch - of pre-1948 Palestine having (approx) 80 % Arab now reduced to 20% ? fer feks sake - even Benny Morris / Ilan Pappe/ and I cant think of any reputable Israael historian who deny what Tyrerik is denying. methinks it Time for someone to pull his head out of where the sun dont shine. tata
Well wiki defines it as "the process or policy of eliminating unwanted ethnic or religious groups by deportation, forcible displacement, mass murder, or by threats of such acts, with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history." Do you agree with this definition? Now hundreds of thousands of Palestinians did indeed leave Israel, but division rests on the question of why they left. Since I really don't like using wiki, here is an excerpt from a good article that describes Benny Morris's findings: Perhaps if Israel allowed the Palestinians to return...but no, they made sure that did not happen: Now, according to this wiki article , if the plan had been implemented, the Arab population of the new Jewish state would have numbered at 45%; that means a Jewish population of just 55%- barely a majority. So yes, I can see why Ben-Gurion supported the expelling of Arabs.
You are not dealing with normal minds. They think it is normal, because they self validate, it is like having a room fool of alkies, all in denial, they all validate one another. For another thing, whether you want to believe it or not, they see themselves as a distinct people, and NOT 'just like anyone else'. There is NOTHING to suggest that they really believe that, and when they set themselves apart, I mean from ANYONE not a Jew. That is why they do not give a crap about what happens to any non Jewish lands or life. They see us all as dispensable; Gilad Sharon, the son of former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, has called for Israel to 'flatten' Gaza as the US flattened the Japanese city of Hiroshima in 1945 with an atomic bomb. Writing in The Jerusalem Post Sharon, an activist for the opposition Kadima party, said: “The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences. "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ma-says-ariel-sharons-son-gilad-16239945.html
Um, no, he saw it necessary to expel Arabs from the proposed Jewish state: Mr. Weitz also found it necessary: Hundreds of thousands of Muslim and Christian Palestinians were driven from their homes. Are you sure that's not ethnic cleansing?
The result is granted but the reason that caused it is debated, a machine gun murder is murder, Dir Yassin was by many accounts - murder, the 1948 result was not due to murder but war.
Did he scream when he said that ? , you realise you can quote him saying he speaks with the devil twice a day too right? perhaps you should stick to thinks that can be proven? If the Syrian army breaks into Israel do you think the citizens in the North would sit in their homes confident nothing bad will happen because they have the right to be there or will they pack their belongings and run South? the Arabs had 4 countries nearby to run to and were sure those countries will send their armies to wipe the Jews, in this case, no, that;s not "ethnic cleansing" that a reasonable result of war.
Gilos, why don't you read the above article and then tell me Gurion was not interested in expelling the Arabs.
closer to the relevance of bad, that needs to be held accountable, than cartoons what is antisemitic? Is anything not supporting sissy ville, antisemitic? Semitic is a language group, technically and akkadian (an arab language) is the top of the order. If you consider me antisemitic for claiming that i hate any pursuit of zion by force, then you have your problems do deal with and perhaps should go lay by your dish. which reich are you comparing me with? Truth destroys ignorance. Have you ever wondered, just maybe, you could be on the wrong side? i aint a dirt kisser nor a prophet. I know what the old books claim is coming. The understanding of what we are, in fact. ie... remember that 'truth destroys ignorance'...?1?!? only one idiot with the 'name upon the head'. ie... math defining transition of mass/energy/time and it be pure to existence itself. It's simple stuff Could you imagine if i wanted to eat from the tree of knowledge (use the math for gain/business)?
He was in a war and he wanted to win, the situation of being sorrounded by so many hostile villages could not go on, as such expelling or defeating the hostiles was mandatory if the Jewish state wants a future. the point is we got to this situation BECAUSE they were hostile nmot because Ben Gurion planned it in Poland, if they were peacful like other Muslim villages were than they wouldnt be expelled/driven off/fought. You quote a PM at war as if he sat in Europe and planned all this before it even started, what I say is : it happened but out of neccesity and not like you said that it was all planned before the first pioneer landed.
Yes. That. It is a term they use, over and over, to stifle free speech, discredit people, perhaps cost them their jobs, slander entire nations, and then pour hate and death onto them. It is a term used against anyone or anything that Jews do not like, does not matter if it is true, if they do not like it, it is 'anti semitic'. The thing to do is simply not be browbeaten by this trick. It always says more about the person using it, than it does about the person they say it about. Remember, from the most mealy mouthed critic, right the way up to their more in the face, blunt critics, it makes no odds to them, you may as well be the upper end, because you WILL be smeared, slandered, and have your words twisted, just the same. Like I said before, anyone that thinks they can go up against these 'Jews' and not have all of the spewed at them, and more besides, is DELUSIONAL. Not even the most hippy style, mung bean eating, pacifist type 'anti Zionist' will escape that label, and more on top. If anyone self identifies as 'anti Zionist', esp in org's like the BDS Movement etc, and has never had this happen, they I am afraid they are not what they appear to be. They even call other Jews, including those that were interned in WW2 'anti semitic'. So, it is anyone that do not like, that speaks out against them, or who shines a light on their own activities. And any Jew that won't tow the line. It is actually disgusting that the term has been allowed to be used as a political and even religous tool, to demonise others, in an arbitary manner, in this way. Because of all of that, here is what I think. Lest one of them try to bleat to you about 'anti semitism', cite any negative remarks made about any non Jews ever, by Jews, then claim 'anti gentilism' and 'anti christianity'. Over and over and over. Then set up special lobby groups, and bother your MP's and such into either revisiting the former, or including the latter in law, as well. You do not need millions of people. A few that were persistant would force the question.
Antisemitic cartoons and antisemitism is something you should become very aware of and something which helps the Palestinian cause in no way because it is simply racism. ( I do not by the way believe this cartoon was antisemitic) I am the person Tyriejic describes as antisemitic due to confronting the Mohamed cartoons and even providing evidence that the people who published them had previously been offered similar Christian ones but came to the belief that they would cause offense and decided not to publish them hence according to my believes the publication of the Mohamed cartoons is racist. Classical Antisemitism is a form of racism. It is something that the Jews of Europe suffered even when they gave up Judaism resulting in them being particularly picked for inhumane treatment by the Germans. not to say there way not powerful antisemitism towards Jews in all of Western Europe, because they, as people were immigrating into Western Europe and it was then seen as something 'culturally different' just as Muslims integrating into Europe are being portrayed as the pro Zionist people now. It led to Jew's being the largest group of civilians murdered the Natz's of the 30's 40's by a long way, probably half of all people, that is innocent men, women and children...though I think the Romani's as an ethnic group have a complaint which has not been addressed. At the same time Christian Zionist encouraged Muslims to return to Palestine and make that a jewish State in order that they may create Armageddon. The Jew's interested in a Jewish State just like all Europeans at the time were interested in 'ethnic states' created Israel and, sad to say encouraged antisemitism and the killing of Jews. There were other people. Such as Gilos forebears who moved to Israel because of antisemitic pogramns the deliberate killing of Jews. He now supports the israel state which I think is based on ignorance though his forebears came and were accepted by your people among whom are also the anti-Zionist Jews who do not accept Israel as a colonial state or as coming from Judaism. I have already documented the difference between classical antisemitism and 'new antisemitism. Do a search if you did not find it. I told my daughter that I had confronted 'classical antisemtites' on this forum and that only one 'pro Palestinian' stood by me (that person is now banned). I also pointed out to my daughter that Jews have been the most forefront in confronting Israel's practices and she said' OMG that reminds me of what we used to have on a postcard on our toilet 'First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. ' My daughter is not political as are not most people she has followed what I say {because she is not political) If you want us to stand by the Palestinians at the expense of harming the people who have most worked for Palestinians then .... but it should be first and foremost remembered that. for the classical antisemete's that includes those Jews who have been forefront in the argument against what Israel has done. Jews are not a collective. Racism is racism regardless of who is is directed at. Look at the difference between 'new antisemitism' and ' classical antisemitism'. If you want to harm the people who have worked hardest for the Palestinians, then you are no cause. I think I have said l that needs to be said on this subject and been subject to sufficient abuse for standing up to racism - against anyone.
