Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. Conservative Democrat

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    The bottom line is that Arabs initiated the use of violence.

    If the Jews had not been attacked they would have gotten better grades, better jobs, and better incomes than the Palestinians. As the cost of living rose, Palestinians would not be able to afford to live in Israel any more, so they would have had to move. .

    It is called gentrification. It happens in the United States all the time.
     
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    Yes. Jews are wonderful people.
     
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    The Zionists only fought when they were attacked.
     
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    Palestinians were not pursuing Jews fleeing from Egypt .. nor were they slaughtering Israeli families. You have things backwards .. was the Israeli's slaughtering Palestinian families.

    We agree that the Israeli's are justified in annihilating Hamas.. Hamas crimes do not justify the mass indiscriminate slaughter of thousands of children and tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

    I further disagree with your logic that Hamas is "Completely Justified" in the slaughter of Israeli Families on the basis of the crimes of the Bibi and the IDF.
     
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    Israel is defending its citizens against rocket attacks by Hamas from Gazan neighborhoods surrounded by human shields. Hamas is responsible for the safety of the Gazan civilians they are using as human shields. Israel is responsible for defending Israeli civilians. If Gazan human shields are killed by Israeli defense actions it is tragic but the deaths of the human shields is the responsibility of Hamas. There is absno justification for any military or terrorist organization to use human shields. Absolutely none. Hamas should be globally condemned. But instead Hamas is cast a the victim and Israel is blamed for genocide. Claiming that Israel is guilty of genocide is morally and ethically depraved.
     
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    I said Ethnic Cleansing friend .. we will leave Genocide ruling to the Hague .. which according to the Irish delegation to the UN .."Hague is too good for Bibi"

    You can yammer on all you like about Hamas Terrorists .. whose deeds are far less the atrocity of the IDF Terrorists .. and Israeli use of human shields .. as if you understood what this is.

    The Israeli children are not responsible for the actions of their terrorist leaders .. despite global condemnation of these terrorist actions .. and habitual use of human shields .. to a degree far greater than the Palestinians.

    Collective punishment is a war crime . in addition to the crimes against humanity . of illegal foreign occupation .. Ethnic cleansing on the basis of extremist religious zealots .. cleansing the land as if by some religious human sacrifice ritual .. worse than the Islamists
     
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    The self admitted deeds of Hamas are to use human shields. That's abominable. The take over of Gaza by Hamas and resulting damage to the Gazan economy and the deaths of Gazan civilians are crimes against humanity. Gazan civilians hate Hamas for stealing food and water provided through international aid and the killing of Gazan civilians.
     
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    The only Palestinians I care about are the Christian Palestinians. I want the rest to be dumped into the middle of the Arabian Desert. Let's see if they can make the desert bloom the way the Israelis did.
     
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    Are they "chosen?"
     
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    I think so, and I am not Jewish.
     
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    Clearly the number 1 teaching of Jesus "Love neighbor as self" was lost on you. .. That said .. Israeli's were bombing the Christian Palestinians as well .. Took out a whole bunch of them bombing a Christian Church in the south where people were supposed to be safe.

    Why such a hate on for the non Christian Palestinians if I might ask ?
     
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    I do not really hate them. Nevertheless, I consider their well being to be inconsistent with the well being of the Israelis. When two nations want the same land, and when they are willing to fight for it, there is nothing to negotiate. There cannot be a compromise.
     
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    Once it started, the only goal was to eliminate all Palestinians. Zionists were taught well and they used that knowledge to do to the people that lived in the area what others did to them in the diaspora. Don't try to give me some moral lesson about the righteousness of Zionism, it doesn't resonate with me or history. This is simply conquest and nothing else.
     
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    Why would the Arabs who started these conflicts in 1948 want to eliminate all Palestinians?
     
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    The latest from the Palestinian health authorities puts the # at 23,000. Even if you believe that number isnt inflated, the IDF estimates that 9,000 Hamas combatants have been killed.

    UN says global civilian to combatant death ratio is 9:1. In Gaza IDF seem to have achieved only 1.5:1.
    A blast from Richard Kemp | Power Line (powerlineblog.com)
     
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    No doubt some of these “civilians” are active supporters of Hamas who may work a day job and then assemble rocket launchers at night. Additionally Hamas defines a child as a person under the age of 19. Hamas routinely indoctrinates youngsters as young as 12 and trains them to kill Jews.
     
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    Palestinians elected Hamas in 2012...? because Fatah was pretending to consider recognizing a Jewish state in exchange for a Palestinian state. Hamas is committed to the elimination of the Israeli state. If another election were held today I suspect the vote would be the same. While civilian casualties are a tragedy in any war, Im not proud to admit I am not as concerned in this conflict. Kind of like Germany. US and UK bombed the shiite out of civilians in Germany... but, they were friggin nazis. A little less concerning then if it were citizens that had no say in who or how they were governed or their governments policies.
     
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    Israel left Gaza in 2005. Initially the PA was in control. But Hamas won control of the Gazan legislature in 2006 and then took over the executive branch via assassination. In 2007 they started launching rockets at Israeli civilian neighborhoods. I think that Hamas was perceived as a well intentioned wing of the Muslim Brotherhood but of course they are a terrorist organization funded by Hamas. There have been no elections held since 2006. I think that possibly the majority of Gazan civilians now realize that Hamas is their enemy as Hamas routinely steals international humanitarian aid and does of course fire rockets from populated areas. Israel is doing what needs to be done. The only way to bring safety, security, and prosperity back to Gaza is to completely eradicate Hamas and impose Israeli control over Gaza just as was the case prior to 2005.
     
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    The achievements of the Palestinians during their two thousand years of existence pale compared to the achievements of the Jews.
     
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    Well .. if nothing else the backslap should be an indication that path taken was mistake.

    "I don't hate them" -- you say - yet the wholesale slaughter of innocent children, mothers and fathers is acceptable because they are living on land that Israeli Settlers wish to occupy.

    So you either don't like the Palestinians very much .. or just don't care about the essential liberty for others in General. Going with the former .. Why this dislike of the Palestinian folks in general - or is it more that they are just in the way of Israel whom you love unconditionally ? .. as this goes deeper than just picking a side. When it comes down to it I am on the side of the Israel - but, this does not mean I am in favor of the Ethnic Cleansing and crimes against humanity .. which .. in the long run is not helping Israel anyway..
     
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    That of course has nothing to do with the current situation.
     
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    The use of human shields is abominable indeed .. unfortunately, you havn't shown that you understand what constitutes using human shield's and do not seem to realize that Israel has used human shields far more than Hamas.. Killed far more children than Hamas .. committed many more war crimes and crimes against humanity than Hamas .. and so if Hamas is "Abominable" a claim with which I agree .. how much more abominable is Bibi ?

    The Irish delegation to the UN say "The Hague too good for Bibi" ..
     
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    Israel uses human shields?
     

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