Israelis Occupying East Jerusalem

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    JERUSALEM, Dec. 3 (Xinhua) -- Israeli settlers on Monday moved into a five-story building located in a Palestinian neighborhood in East Jerusalem, sparking local NGOs' concerns that a new settlement will be established in the area.

    Overnight Monday, a family of Israeli settlers occupied a building located in Jabal Mukaber, which had been empty since its construction in recent years except for a Palestinian family living on the top floor.

    According to Israeli NGO Peace Now, the previous owner, a Palestinian man, sold the building to an offshore company named Lowell Investments that belongs to Elad, an organization that promotes Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem. The same company bought an adjacent building two years ago.

    "It's a big building, and the settlers will bring Jewish families to live there and put more security around them, which will create more friction. It will be a very negative environment. East Jerusalem is a highly sensitive city in this sense, so to put islands in the middle of a Palestinian neighborhood will only hinder the possibility of a two-state solution," Hagit Ofran, director of Peace Now's Settlement Watch project, told Xinhua. Read on --




    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-12/04/c_124041066.htm
     
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    Jerusalem is part of Israel.
     
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    Clearly the win at the UN has sent Mad Dog Bibi over the edge now.

    We can just sit back and watch as the world sees what we have been saying for decades.

    They are a cancer in our region. They are liars and killers and will never change.
     
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    The USA and Britains reputation was destroyed long ago because of them.

    Canada their latest 'special friend' is the latest the political casualty

    No country in it's right mind will have anything to do with them after the recent few months

    The state of Israel just went from gone in 10 years to gone in 5
     
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    So the building was sold and is occupied by rightful owners. What seems to be the problem? Arabs (and anyone else with money) buy property in New York and London and Toronto and elsewhere.
     
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    Canada's ruined reputation


    A comparison of the reception received by five consecutive speakers at the UN General Assembly, 44th Plenary Meeting, Question of Palestine on November 29, 2012.

    Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Conservative MP John Baird is received in silence - the only speaker to receive this snub from the Assembly. Stephen Harper is destroying Canada's reputation around the world.


    :disbelief:

    [video=youtube;oZhfWv6Sds4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZhfWv6Sds4&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    Maybe it is the speech of Palestine claiming Jerusalem as their capital

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/02/Abbas-Jerusalem-Is-Ours
     
  8. truth and justice

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    Elsewhere? How about Palestinians buying property in Israel?
     
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    Sure:
    Private lands. There are no restrictions on the purchase of private land in Israel. Israeli Arabs or non-citizens, including Arab foreigners, may freely purchase it. The Israeli authorities have placed no obstacles in the way of such purchases, which are proceeding, as Israel's Deputy Housing Minister Meir Porush recently noted:

    The Palestinian Authority is encouraging purchases of land in Israeli territory by wealthy Palestinians. It is a matter of Palestinian figures tied to the real estate business, and living mainly in London, who try to purchase homes and lands in Jerusalem through agents and lawyers who live mainly in Ramallah.

    on the other hand:
    The Palestinian Authority's justice minister, Freih Abu Meddein, announced in early May 1997 that Palestinians who sell land to Jews will face the death penalty and over the next few weeks, at least four Palestinians said to have been involved in such sales were in fact murdered. In addition, Israeli forces rescued a fifth land dealer as he was being spirited from his home near Jerusalem to Ramallah, presumably to be killed. Evidence, both circumstantial and otherwise, pointed to direct PA involvement in each of these murders; indeed, Yasir Arafat himself justified the executions

    http://www.meforum.org/370/can-arabs-buy-land-in-israel

    So, where were we? Oh yeah, Arabs can buy property anywhere in the world including Israel but a few Israelis purchasing a building in East Jerusalem is an international incident. Do you think there is truth and justice in this?
     
  10. Shins

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    As a Canadian id like to apologize for the actions of my government, they do not refelct most Canadians.

    The way our broken and undemocratic first-past-the-post voting system here qorks those guys got into power with only a small fraction of the popular vote.

    Harper is betraying Canadians and putting them in danger, he's a traitor.
     
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    Sorry buddy, but historically they belong in your region.

    Deal with them, however you guys see fit.

    From my angle, better they are over there than here.

    From my angle, all Jews should live in Israel, the land of the Jews.
     
  12. Jeannette

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    I assume the Palestinian that owned the property was a Christian. I can't imagine any Muslim selling something to a Jew and not being killed as being a traitor to Islam; regardless if whether they knew who the buyer was or not. As I stated in another post, the problem in that part of the world is Islam, since its propagation and growth means more to its followers than human life... even that of their own children. As Golda Meir once said: "The problem with the Palestinians is that they hate us more than they love their own children." Sad! :no:
     
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    only in your dreams abu.

    Although I must confess that I am seriously unhappy with the Canadian reaction.
     
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    Get serious. Our electoral system works just fine. They were elected with around 26% of the total eligible voter pool. Unfortunately too many Canadians couldn't be bothered voting.

    And as much as I dislike the man, he is no traitor. This is canada, we don't react to such hyperbolic bullcrap.
    As to being put in danger, we have been since we went to war in Iraq 1.

    Perhaps the most important reason why we haven't had a terrorist attack in canada (knock on wood) is that the muslim community has turned in the few radicals that have tried it. Now that is what being a Canadian is all about.
     
  15. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In danger of who? In danger of what? For heavens sake, since when did Canada need Saudi oil? :frustrated:
     
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    In the eyes of the international community East Jerusalem is not.
     
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    People from every nation in the world buy land and companies here in the USA. So who cares if a Palestinian sells his land to a Jew who hires other Palestinians to build a home for him on his own land which he purchased fair and square? Who's doing all this complaining anyway?.....Obviously it wan't the Palestinian who sold his land or building to a Jew. And those Palestinians who get hired by the Jew to build the Jews home aren't complaining. So who's complaining? Maybe we should either find the complainers and shoot them dead, or turn a deaf ear to them.....rather than elevate their bigotry to the level of international diplomatic validity. This is nutz! Are there no Palestinians who build homes in Israel?
     
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    You are aware of what Israeli land grabs and illegal settlements entails, right?..... Uh, clearly not.
     
  19. junobet

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    If you are Palestinian you will find it next to impossible to build homes in Israel:

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-open-jerusalem-closed-palestinians/8361
     
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    A legal contract is not a land grab anymore than buying a bag of jelly beans is theft. Likewise keeping strategic hold of certain terrain after a war, so as to maintain the future security of ones nation. Israels neighbors cannot be trusted.
     
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    As predicted, you haven't got a clue as regards what the occupation of Palestine entails.
     
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    C. THE CITY OF JERUSALEM
    The boundaries of the City of Jerusalem are as defined in the recommendations on the City of Jerusalem. (See Part III, section B, below).

    Part III. - City of Jerusalem(5)
    A. SPECIAL REGIME
    The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations.

    B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY
    The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, 'Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map (annex B).

    C. STATUTE OF THE CITY
    The Trusteeship Council shall, within five months of the approval of the present plan, elaborate and approve a detailed statute of the City which shall contain, inter alia, the substance of the following provisions:

    Government machinery; special objectives. The Administering Authority in discharging its administrative obligations shall pursue the following special objectives:

    To protect and to preserve the unique spiritual and religious interests located in the city of the three great monotheistic faiths throughout the world, Christian, Jewish and Moslem; to this end to ensure that order and peace, and especially religious peace, reign in Jerusalem;

    To foster cooperation among all the inhabitants of the city in their own interests as well as in order to encourage and support the peaceful development of the mutual relations between the two Palestinian peoples throughout the Holy Land; to promote the security, well-being and any constructive measures of development of the residents having regard to the special circumstances and customs of the various peoples and communities.

    Governor and Administrative staff. A Governor of the City of Jerusalem shall be appointed by the Trusteeship Council and shall be responsible to it. He shall be selected on the basis of special qualifications and without regard to nationality. He shall not, however, be a citizen of either State in Palestine.

    The Governor shall represent the United Nations in the City and shall exercise on their behalf all powers of administration, including the conduct of external affairs. He shall be assisted by an administrative staff classed as international officers in the meaning of Article 100 of the Charter and chosen whenever practicable from the residents of the city and of the rest of Palestine on a non-discriminatory basis. A detailed plan for the organization of the administration of the city shall be submitted by the Governor to the Trusteeship Council and duly approved by it.

    3. Local autonomy

    The existing local autonomous units in the territory of the city (villages, townships and municipalities) shall enjoy wide powers of local government and administration.

    The Governor shall study and submit for the consideration and decision of the Trusteeship Council a plan for the establishment of special town units consisting, respectively, of the Jewish and Arab sections of new Jerusalem. The new town units shall continue to form part the present municipality of Jerusalem.

    Security measures

    The City of Jerusalem shall be demilitarized; neutrality shall be declared and preserved, and no para-military formations, exercises or activities shall be permitted within its borders.


    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm


    That is the UN on what made israel possible.

    then \



    United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on 20 August 1980, is one of seven UNSC resolutions condemning Israel's attempted annexation of East Jerusalem. In particular, UNSC res 478 notes Israel's non-compliance with UNSC res 476[1] and condemned Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law which declared Jerusalem to be Israel's "complete and united" capital, as a violation of international law. The resolution states that the Council will not recognize this law, and calls on member states to accept the decision of the council. This resolution also calls upon member states to withdraw their diplomatic missions from the city.

    The resolution was passed with 14 votes to none against, with the United States abstaining



    And your post, shared just how ignorant the west is to the reality.

    ie..... the beliefs of bigots, dont mean they can oppress to pursue what they believe.
     
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    C. THE CITY OF JERUSALEM
    The boundaries of the City of Jerusalem are as defined in the recommendations on the City of Jerusalem. (See Part III, section B, below).

    Part III. - City of Jerusalem(5)
    A. SPECIAL REGIME
    The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations.

    B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY
    The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, 'Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map (annex B).

    C. STATUTE OF THE CITY
    The Trusteeship Council shall, within five months of the approval of the present plan, elaborate and approve a detailed statute of the City which shall contain, inter alia, the substance of the following provisions:

    Government machinery; special objectives. The Administering Authority in discharging its administrative obligations shall pursue the following special objectives:

    To protect and to preserve the unique spiritual and religious interests located in the city of the three great monotheistic faiths throughout the world, Christian, Jewish and Moslem; to this end to ensure that order and peace, and especially religious peace, reign in Jerusalem;

    To foster cooperation among all the inhabitants of the city in their own interests as well as in order to encourage and support the peaceful development of the mutual relations between the two Palestinian peoples throughout the Holy Land; to promote the security, well-being and any constructive measures of development of the residents having regard to the special circumstances and customs of the various peoples and communities.

    Governor and Administrative staff. A Governor of the City of Jerusalem shall be appointed by the Trusteeship Council and shall be responsible to it. He shall be selected on the basis of special qualifications and without regard to nationality. He shall not, however, be a citizen of either State in Palestine.

    The Governor shall represent the United Nations in the City and shall exercise on their behalf all powers of administration, including the conduct of external affairs. He shall be assisted by an administrative staff classed as international officers in the meaning of Article 100 of the Charter and chosen whenever practicable from the residents of the city and of the rest of Palestine on a non-discriminatory basis. A detailed plan for the organization of the administration of the city shall be submitted by the Governor to the Trusteeship Council and duly approved by it.

    3. Local autonomy

    The existing local autonomous units in the territory of the city (villages, townships and municipalities) shall enjoy wide powers of local government and administration.

    The Governor shall study and submit for the consideration and decision of the Trusteeship Council a plan for the establishment of special town units consisting, respectively, of the Jewish and Arab sections of new Jerusalem. The new town units shall continue to form part the present municipality of Jerusalem.

    Security measures

    The City of Jerusalem shall be demilitarized; neutrality shall be declared and preserved, and no para-military formations, exercises or activities shall be permitted within its borders.


    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm


    That is the UN on what made israel possible.

    then \



    United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on 20 August 1980, is one of seven UNSC resolutions condemning Israel's attempted annexation of East Jerusalem. In particular, UNSC res 478 notes Israel's non-compliance with UNSC res 476[1] and condemned Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law which declared Jerusalem to be Israel's "complete and united" capital, as a violation of international law. The resolution states that the Council will not recognize this law, and calls on member states to accept the decision of the council. This resolution also calls upon member states to withdraw their diplomatic missions from the city.

    The resolution was passed with 14 votes to none against, with the United States abstaining



    And your post, shared just how ignorant the west is to the reality.

    ie..... the beliefs of bigots, dont mean they can oppress to pursue what they believe.
     
  24. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Sure, right, MEF is your source, lol. I reference the post by Junobet post number 19 for an adequate rebuttal of your post.
     
  25. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't understand something, with all the mass killings and persecutions of non Muslims throughout the world, and with the genocides occurring almost daily, why does the U.N. spend so much time passing resolutions against Israel? Do they think only the Palestinians are worthy of their concern, and that the rest of us are subhuman? Who is in control of the General Assembly anyway? :confuse:
     
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