So, what does "deal with that mean"? First of all, by international law winning a war is NOT and excuse for the crime of ethnic cleansing. So, that is a non-starter. Second, by international law, wars don't redraw national boundaries. Third, if national boundaries DO get redraw through some process, the residents who are affected become the citizens of the new country in which they reside. Again, it is NOT an excuse for the crimes of ethnic cleansing or property theft. The fact that not all nations recognize Palestine is of little account. The states of Israel and the US are members of the UN and are thus committed to accept the decisions of that body - which overwhelmingly recognizes Palestine. After that, there can be negotiations on borders, etc., but the continuing humanitarian crimes of property theft and ethnic cleansing need to stop.
Marlowe, et al, Well, I'm glad you watch TV. (COMMENT) Oddly enough, I said the same thing. I think it is you that has something to learn. The Map sequence is wrong. Prior to 1946, there was no State of Palestine or Israel. Most Respectfully, R
Margot2, et al, Yes, sometimes I have to laugh. (COMMENT) This is all Mandate era stuff, except for the Ptolemaic Map. Yes, there was a period of time that the Sherif of Mecca, ruled most of the Levant. But never the local indigenous population. "The Palestine Currency Board was appointed in 1926 by the British Secretary of State for the Colonies, and was in charge of the introduction and control of currency in Palestine under the British Mandate." The creation of the stamp and currency was duly reported by the Mandatory in the End-of-Year Report, Part I. INTRODUCTORY - General. Both the currency and the stamp are actually British. As for the Ptolemaic Map (circa 100 AD), the region was controlled by Egyptian Ptolemy family (successors to Alexander the Great) and in part by the Syrian Seleucids. But not by indigenous Palestinians. Ptolemy Lagides, was a Macedonian general under Alexander, who became ruler of Egypt and founder of Ptolemaic Dynasty. Cleopatra V Tryphaena of Egypt was a Ptolemaic Queen of Egypt in 100 AD. The regional name (Palestine), is just that, a regional name. Not the name of a state or sovereignty. It is like saying the Rocky Mountain Region or Appalachia in the US; just regional names. Palestine's borders are artificial. When the Turkish Government (successor to the Ottoman Empire) surrendered control, it was understood by Treaty that the administration of Palestine, "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers," was indeterminate at the time. Palestine was really a very minor region in the Levant. I completely understand how you might have made this mistake. I have often seen the pro-Palestinian movement make such claims, with similar examples. Most Respectfully, R
" international law " Blah Blah Who cares about " international law " What did " international law " do about 150,000 murdered in syria ? What did " international law " do about iran , north korea, pakisthan ? What did " international law " do when england invaded falkland ? I have tins of examples like that !!! When 15 arab countries gang up against israel u call that fare ? When muslims / arabs /plastinians do terror acts all over europe and bring them to their knees , What did " international law " do ? When putin closses all news agency leaving only his ..What did " international law " do ? I have tons of that too.. so dont tell me about ..What did " international law " They r a joke !!! And more u r from pakisthan.. right . So When u attack india ( getting licked every time ) What did " international law " do to stop u ?
winning a war is NOT and excuse for the crime of ethnic cleansing Huh ...There r many examples showing otherwise and once again u started it u lost so deal with it . We r not going into a cycle of u start a war we win and then u want to reset every thing...noway ho-ze U have a 2 dozen arab country.. we have only1 so u go to where u came from .or Our jews from arab ststes u murderd and we escaped from u know best who u r .
Margot2, et al, I guess, in a way, you are correct. I owe you an apology for the misinformation. (Bad wording on my part, but that is no excuse.) (OBSERVATION) (COMMENT) In late-1918, at the time of the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of the Turkish Government, HM The Kingdom of the Hejaz (Hussein bin Ali), Sharif of Mecca and Governor of Jeddah, sent his son, HRH Emir Faisal ibn Husain (later known as the HM of the Hashemite Kingdom of Syria or Greater Syria in 1920, and later known as the King of Iraq from 23 August 1921 to 1933), to Palestine for a series of talks concerning "surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations." These talks were consummated in what is known as Faisal-Weizmann Agreement of January 1919. The Kingdom of the Hejaz, became independent from the Ottoman Empire was later merged, in 1925, with the Sultanate of Nejd, and reforming under the House of Saud (HM Abdul Aziz al Saud). (APOLOGY) HM Hussein bin Ali, for all intent and purposes, was the Senior Arab Leader in the region from the time of the Arab Revolt in 1916 to the assumption of the Mandate in June 1921 (although not passed until 1922). But AS YOU POINT OUT, HM Hussein bin Ali was not the Hashemite King of the entire Levant. I WAS INCORRECT in leaving that impression. Again, my apologies: I stand corrected. Most Respectfully, R
Marlowe; et al, To an extent, this much is true. (COMMENT) Land ownership (a civil real estate issue) and residency (a citizenship component) are incidental to the point of sovereignty. I do not see the Jewish Immigrant as foreigners. I see them as displaced persons invited to immigrate in order to establish a Jewish National Home. They were invited by the Allied Powers, having all the necessary reigns of power passed to them by Treaty. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians were citizens of the ousted Empire, not Hashemite Beduins or Faisal's contingent fighting on the side of the Allied Powers. While the Arab Palestinians had longevity, they were not in sovereign control. And given the manner in which the Arab Palestinian has turned out today, it was probably wise that they rejected the opportunity to either establish a framework from which they could stand alone as independent. The very last thing the world needs is another failed Arab State; a state out-of-control, parasitic, with a Jihadist based sovereign Islamic Waqf --- backed by a bunch of unproductive Fedayeen that don't know anything other than to create havoc. Most Respectfully, R
BS - You seem to ignore the fact that the non-Jewish inhabitants were NOT consulted - they were denied the right to self determination but was instead driven from their ancestral homes by the incoming/invading Zionists Jews from Europe as a solution to Europe's Jewish problem. ..... Go read : http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553#reader_B005KR0M5Q or Watch - listen and learn from : [video=youtube;wV9gv7w3pLY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV9gv7w3pLY[/video] ... from me as ever , its : THE ENEMIES OF MY FRIENDS - ARE ----- MY ENEMIES . ...
Welcome simsim50, Welcome to the warring field where intellectuals are confronting made up thesis that endeavors to sustain the political irrationality and the falsity of some posters. Reminds me a bit of <The Cid par Pierre Corneille>... One cannot steal from squatters!!!!!!!!!!!
You may yell.. but the Palestinian Arabs were there since 2400 BC. In fact.. the Hebrews were probably Arabs.
Finally - those misfit European who claim to be "Jews" ARE NOT Israelites /Judeans /Hebrews etc. I've heard abt the so-called "DNA " studies which imo are suspect as it was funded/carried out by Zionists in order to support a the Zionist political cause.# "He who pays the piper , call the tune" .....
The people in the area of what we call Palestine and Israel were there for many years. The first son of Abraham was exiled with his mother to what is now known as Arabia. All of the people were Semites and originally all were what is considered Judaism, though it was not closely followed in Arabia. Islam became the 7th century (December 609 CE and concluding in 632 CE) All of the earlier books of the bible are considered part of Islam but that some were misinterpreted. Palestine came from Philistine, and has not been a separate country (simply a region which included several countries) or considered separate and included several countries and was populated mostly by Jews and Christians from the time of Christ until after the the Islamic conquest around 636CE. Semites have always lived in that area but Muslims (also Semites) are the Johnny come lately. The Ottoman Empire conquered the area in the 16th century. It remained in control except for a period when an Egyptian rule for a few years. After WWI the British took control of the area and were supposed to have created a Muslim state and a Jewish state but only created a Muslim state in part of the area in the 1920s, and turned it over to the UN for a decision after WWII when Israel was created out of only part of the old Jewish area with the rest of the land turned over to Jordan and Egypt (The west bank and Gaza) The rest is modern history. Had the British properly managed their mandate all of what is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza would have been a Jewish state.
I want to retort to the <International Law> officious person... where was the so called law when Islam subjugated, North Africa, the Far East, Asia, part of Europe and decimated people forcing them to Islamize??? How many Million Hindus and Buddhists died to give your ilk the temerity to call my country thieving from squatters... If there was a way to return the hordes of Islam of the Seventh Century back to their borders, I will be all for that! Half the known World in the Seventh Century was stolen from their native sons!!!
What every you say, but modern Israel was created by an act of the UN, though it should have been recognized as soon as the British got the mandate. Reconstituted suggests it existed all the time, but the Ottoman Empire was the "owner" of the entire region until the 1st WW.
Herodotus called it Palestine ... as a province of Syria.. in 500 BC. Chaucer and Shakespeare refer to Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC. Palestine does NOT come from Philistine... It comes from Felahin Work on your history. The Hebrews are just another group of Canaanite Arabs.
Well sorry to say that this is not an invention of mine but... Dear Readers, and interested researchers, I have reproduced the PREAMBLE and the 28 Articles of the Mandate for Palestine in here for ALL to read. I am sure this will be an eye opener for some, and to all those who still believe that the State of Israel was <created> when in reality it was RECONSTITUTED. LONDON: PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY’S STATIONERY OFFICE The Council of the League of Nations: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
