It just seems silly.

I don't know. You're the one who claims to know. So I'm asking you how you know. I very much doubt that any conditions would be made publicly. So your remark is, to say the least, puzzling.

I don't know what you're talking about. I have said no such thing.

And, again, you have determined that we're not?

Israel is one of the 10 most powerful military in the world. Not a "small country" at all. And people who are loyal to Israel have influenced our internal politics for many decades. Those are the facts that Biden has to deal with. He didn't create them, he just needs to deal with them.

Let's make one thing clear. There are two options: Trump or Biden. Hoping and wishing is great for birthdays and anniversaries.... but not for reality. The sooner people start understanding that THOSE are your choices, the quicker we can get back to a meaningful debate.

It is Netanyahu! Who else?

 

If those were the only two options, I would have to choose Trump, regrettably. I cannot for the life of me fathom why the Democrats would not put forward an alternative. They are shooting themselves in the foot, big time. He will never win against Trump. I am equally disgusted that Trump is the only viable candidate on the right. Our system is so disgustingly corrupt. We have hardly even begun the primaries, and already both parties have crowned their kings. There is no longer a democratic process that is anything but paying lip service to an illusion.

 

Fine. In that case your statement "I support the right of all people to live in relative security" goes out the window. And the implications to everything you said about "Israel" and "Palestine" don't require further commentary.

 

I don't see how you can say that honestly when you are supporting a president who manages to inflame conflicts rather than reduce them. Granted, Trump sucks too in this regard, but Biden brings it to a whole new level. They are both god-awful in terms of dividing Americans, but Biden is significantly worse in foreign affairs. Nobody takes Biden seriously in other countries. That is just reality.

 

I totally agree the bombing of innocents in Gaza is way out of proportion but no doubt in my mind that no matter who was president, they would have supported Israel. Trump took major step of moving embassy to Jerusalem.

 

Biden doesn't refer to half of Americans as 'enemies.' There is clearly only one person that divides this country.

 

Behold the power of the 2 party system. You really should do something about it.

 

I support a President who does the best he can to placate conflicts with the cards he was dealt over the last 70+ years of American foreign policy. I can't think of anything different that, according to what is publicly known, he could do or not do. Therefore, I have no basis to criticize.

So we're supposed to believe that you actually think that the guy who pals with dictators including the guy who murders his opponents, the candidate who invites a fascist dictator to invade one of our allies, who lost our position of leadership in the world, who moved the Embassy to Jerusalem to please Netanyahu and enrage Israel's foes, who has been 100% supportive of Netanyahu's policies against the same Palestine that you now claim you support, that in our country instigated an insurrection, has called for violence against his opponents... you actually believe THAT guy might do a better job.

I have to be hones. I very much doubt you think that. I believe that you had already made up your mind to vote for Trump and you just don't want to deal with defending his shortcomings. But there is nothing anybody can say, no facts we can show you, and no rational argument, ... that would make you change your mind. Sorry, but I can think of NO alternative explanation to what you have said in the course of this debate.

 

Good idea. Im on it.

 

No, just MAGA. Which is only like 1/3 of Americans.

 

please quote where Biden called MAGA enemies.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bid...s-threat-american-democracy/story?id=89121094

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/bid...republicans-are-a-danger-to-us-democracy.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-maga-crowd-most-extreme-political-organization

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden...remist-threat-democracy-dehumanizing-rhetoric

Oh, no, you're right, he said 'extremists', 'danger' and 'threat to democracy', but not 'enemies.'

My bad

 

Exactly. Both parties have been using that language for decades but 'enemy' takes it to a new level. You know that.

 

I dont see any difference between 'dangerous' 'extremist' 'threat' and 'enemy.'

enemy
[ˈenəmē]
NOUN
a person who is actively opposed or hostile to someone or something

What do you suppose the difference is?

 

The difference is when one uses it in conjunction with other dehumanizing words such as 'vermin' and 'poisoning the blood' while rejecting our Constitutional processes.

 

My understanding is RFK is an idiot. Evil isn't the right word.

 

The problem is indeed the system, but voting 3rd party under this system only makes sense if you truly don't care which of the 2 main parties wins. It does matter, though. The lesser of two evils makes a big difference, depending upon ones policy positions. I find Trump to be more embarrassing than Biden, as well. Too bad we can't have Obama back. The last respectable president.

 

I'll agree with you on the 'vermin' part, that more accurately describes our congresscritters (on both sides of the aisle) than regular taxpaying Americans. But the progressive agenda of ever increasing 'regulations' restricting various constitutional rights, not to mention the cost of and access to various everyday necessities like fuel, is very much 'poison' to the 'lifeblood' of our economy and our freedom.

Which 'constitutional processes' do you think MAGA are 'rejecting'? And just because its the most common answer- the Stop The Steal rally on Jan 6 was for a 10 day delay of electoral certification to allow for an investigation into allegations of fraud, not a 'rejection' of anything.

 

What do you think is 'idiotic' about RFK?

 

Anti-vaxxer and very prone to believing stupid conspiracy theories in general (e.g. about his father's assassination). I wouldn't trust that guy with any kind of power. He's the stupid to Trump's nefarious, i.e. Trump peddles conspiracy theories out of strategy, malevolence or racism, not stupidity.

 

He's not 'anti-vaxxer'. He's opposed to the corruption in the vaccine industry, the revolving door relationship between the profit side and the regulatory side that undermines the safety and efficacy of certain vaccines and vaccine schedules. Its no more accurate to say RFK is 'anti-vax' than it is to say the IRS is 'anti-money'.

As far as conspiracy theories go, given the long list of proven conspiracies that originated merely as theories, why is it so bad to continue speculating? Would you really be surprised if elements of our intelligence services turned out to have been involved in the assassination of JFK? I mean really?? With all the other crap agencies like the CIA has done?

 

Trump contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans from covid. If our death rate was comparable to the Canadian death rate, we would have had 600,000 fewer covid deaths.

Blaming Biden for Israeli military action in Gaza is a stretch.

 

He's not anti-vaxx, at all, as modernpaladin has already stated. AS far as JFK conspiracies... I don't find his views on that far fetched at all. I think reality is often MUCH stranger than fiction, especially where our corrupt government is concerned.

 

Your criticism of Old Joe is essentially that he's unwilling to commit political suicide to satisfy your view Israel should act differently (a view I share, btw) toward Palestinians.

 

The guy is not going to be President.