It was a bomb, not a second plane, who said a second plane...I saw it no second plane!

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Like I said you need to examine the shards to know if it liquified, if it liquified there would be a pile of spheres, like everyone that understands metals understand that when molten metal is airborne they ALL form spheres and coll as spheres midair.

    1) that is a composite lead, it may even have wax mixed with it for all we know.
    Bullet - Wikipedia
    They are made of a variety of materials, such as copper, lead, steel, polymer, rubber and even wax; and are made in various shapes and constructions (depending on the intended applications), including specialized functions such as hunting, target shooting, training, and combat. Bullets are often tapered, making them more aerodynamic

    2) there is no core type given
    3) there are no speeds given.
    4) you gave no heating calculations
    5) aluminum melts at twice the temperature of lead.
    6) No aluminum spheres were found on site.

    7) you failed to respond to the question which generates more heat per cubic millimeter, an m16 round or your block of aluminum

    1) fail
    2) fail
    3) fail
    4) fail
    5) fail
    6) fail

    Everyone can see that the claims you posted are simply made up to create an argument with no rational basis in fact.

    I ask the readers how can this subject be factually argued by anyone that does not understand the factual physics of metals as we see in these planer molten aluminum claims?
     
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  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Unless molten is really not molten "only when poured" is another concession folks!

    Glad you agree that molten metal creates spheres when in midair!

    Another score for the koko folks! :winner:
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Oh thats easy! At 911 speed!


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    "they are not invisible."
    "they are not invisible."
    "they are not invisible."


    They are only invisible if they are 911 planes! :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Thanks for pointing out they are not invisible at high speed!

    Chalk up another ringer for koko! :winner:
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    Hilarious.

    Yeah, because that makes so much sense. When the batshit meeting took place to determine what they should do:

    Leader of the evil-gubment: Ok, order, order. We need to make sure these planes hit their targets.
    Second in command: Sir, sir, we have been chatting amongst ourselves and we think they should use a different plane!
    Leader of the evil-gubment: Well duhhh, what the hell for? What are we going to do with the real plane, the people on board, manufacturing air to ground calls, manufacturing cockpit dialog, black box data, radar data etc.?
    Third in command: Oh don't worry about any of that, we'll get the MIB team to deal with it all.
    Leader of the evil-gubment: Great, good call! So now I want the plane-part-sprinklers to drop some 767 bits around the crash zone.
    Fourth in command: About that sir, I had a great idea, why don't we just dump a 747 engine instead! We have a few lying about that we need to dump. Kill two birds with one stone.
    Leader of the evil-gubment: Yeah, that's another good call! What a team we make huh!? And let's face it, only the really smart members of the public will figure it out, the "trufers". Nobody listens to them anyway.
    OK, that's a wrap then. Piece of cake.


    Meanwhile, in the real world! That moronic claim explained so that small children understand it:
    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/ex...ne-from-flight-175-n612ua-that-hit-wtc2.9022/
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Lead soft enough to do what is seen does not make it molten. It cools very rapidly, particularly when assuming the waver shapes we are seeing with lots of surface area.

    Deliberately distorting what I said. If you pour molten lead directly into air as it falls, there is a good likelihood it will create spheres if the stream is narrow enough and not continuous. But that isn't what is happening! Duhhh. The bullet is sufficiently softened to shatter into thousands of flat shards.

    You're in a minority of 1. Banging your own drum of ignorance is not impressive.

    Nicely dodged! You claimed that the camera should not be able to capture the plane in the Hezarkhani footage. When presented with planes doing similar speeds, EASILY captured you failed to respond. Then again, your original claim was one of the dumbest in this thread and that is some going!


    Crap video resolution.

    Are you afraid to answer properly? The bullet at 600mph is tiny and close. The plane is big and far. I find it both hilarious and a little disturbing that you could actually make such a moronic claim - here it is again for people to laugh at:

    "If I take my sony I cant stand perpendicular to a 45acp bullet flying the same speed as the alleged plane and capture it, how the hell was hezerkani able to capture any images of a plane moving 800ft/second on a home camcorder? What cam did he use? Musta been one helluva cam? Did he just 'coincidentally' have a super high speed cam while touristing?"

    You're in a minority of 1. Banging your own drum of ignorance is not impressive. People are laughing at your posts.

    Appalling ignorance. It is impossible to reach somebody who exhibits this low level of understanding. It may form spheres if the stream is narrow enough and broken, otherwise it will just hit the ground in a big blob! Like this:


    Standard bullet.

    Bloviating noise.
    This is a much more thorough video:


    The description of the video details the bullet calibre and the firearm. Oh look, they all did the same thing.
    This would be a score in the utter-fail column, which you seem to have filled up completely.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    there you go folks, when trapped bring in the parlor conspiracy theories.
    he has a thread for that trash but insists on posting OFF TOPIC bullshit in my thread.


    Yeh and my plan to get a full concession from you worked perfectly!


    yeh yet the pics prove they are in fact invisible!

    we only see them or parts of them if their invisibility cloaks fail.

    scifi 101! :applause::roflol:


    Yep uses my video where they talk about AND SHOW ALL THE SLIVERS of lead NOTHING WAS MOLTEN! BWAHAHA
    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Chalk up another one for koko! :winner:
    :cool:


    When they are busted for a post that contains stupid claims:

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    Further to the above, I forget to say that the actual videos of the impact showed the moment the engine was ejected from the building. So somewhere along the line, Team Hushaboom must have planted a magic-ejection system synchronized with the magic inwards-exploding system.

    And the "ebil-gubment-planners" must have discussed and itemized all this. This non-stop barrage of batshit, rather than just fly the real plane into the building. It's all so very, what's the word.........insane!
     
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    no one saw an engine being ejected from the building!
    pure fabrication.

    I suppose if we believe they had door ways on the 7x floors and the columns opened up to let it out that might resemble some fragment of truth. :roflol: :roll:

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    Now what you could expect to see is the nose from that invincible plane laying on the ground somewhere! Bwahaha

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    So how did these "ebil-gubment-planners" set these magic Hushaboom charges? How were the dozens and dozens needed actually recruited?
    Incredibly we have more batshit about the "plane nose" which isn't the plane nose. Proven to any reasonable person. We have numerous videos showing the intense heat from kinetic energy release for an impacting bullet. Proven to any reasonable person. Quite why this totally obvious physical inevitability needs proving is quite strange. Third graders pick up things like this.

    We are almost 20 pages in to this batshit thread, that ignores every single necessity surrounding this insane claim, requires the efforts of hundreds and hundreds of people, co-ordinated with astonishing accuracy(impossible of course - just the overlaying of the batshit composite on a moving target is a show-stopper) that is way, way beyond anything that would reasonably be attempted, let alone planned and agreed.

    It doesn't matter how impossible any given batshit conspiracy is. The "trufer" only needs one rule. Their opinion MUST be correct therefore it MUST somehow have been put together. At no point does a "trufer" consider the more likely alternative - they haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about!
     
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    There you go folks, the believers are still making indefensible unsubstantiated save-face claims, dodging interrogatories and MOVING THE GOAL POSTS TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT to a discussion in a different thread every time they FAIL to have a rebuttal.
     
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    "Rebuttal to what", say the viewers, bellowing with laughter at the "no-plane" batshit?

    The laughter extends to this statement: "every time they fail" , when every single, stupid claim has been systematically taken apart and there has not been even the slightest hint of any failure from those pointing out the endless stupidity involved in "no-planes".

    It's quite amusing where a moronic claim is made that arm-waves away a list of imperative pre-requisites that are totally ignored and labels them "off topic".

    The subject of this facepalming thread is that there was no second plane without exploring how the hell the actual plane and passengers were disposed of, let alone proving it or offering any logic as to why they would do such a totally mental alternative to the dead simple "crash the plane".

    Idiotic emoticons, childish images, pathetic posturing, an utterly useless grasp of physics , logic failure, zero critical thinking skills. Welcome to this brainless thread.
     
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    From page 1. Straight to the point. But as noted a stunning failure in a whole myriad of simple analytical skills is required to be a "no-planes trufer".
     
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    From page 2, pretty much completely ignored.
     
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    This post had the absurd claim it was one error on different views. Right there is a foot-shooting howler of a reply.

    What mental world do they "manufacture" composites from different angles showing this same "mistake", this moronic "nose out" batshit? The claim is that they accidentally allowed the overlay to run past the building perimeter, but how the hell does that work on a different shot!?

    Clue, it doesn't.

    Meanwhile the 50 ton elephant sits there correctly insisting that it is IMPOSSIBLE to overlay a fixed composite on a moving video.

    Fundamental basic problems make this idiotic claim impossible, yet here we are nearing 20 pages with no possibility that reality will sink in, that reason will save the day.
     
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    and when moving the goal posts all over the map didnt work we get gaslighted in a series of posts with the whole ****ing thread including other threads all of which has been addressed and the planers simply are not happy with the answers as they are contrary to their agenda. boo hoo!

    I guess I am expected to follow suit and post all the **** that they refused to even respond to, but nope Im not into that game tonite.

    After saying he was out, here he still is! Obsession at its finest.
     
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    How much more of this crap are we going to get? Not one of the posts quoted just above 461-464 have had any response that explains them. Just pitiful diversion and evasion.
     
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    That said! :bounce:

    There is absolutely nothing I can do with this clip:

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    to make it look like the cgi clip below:


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    thats the hezerkoni clip.

    all I did was adjust the brightness and contrast and we can see the plane is not an opaque image like the first (REAL) plane from betas high speed mach 1 flyby clip.

    We cant see anything behind the REAL plane, the REAL plane does not go behind the background at any time and there is absolutely nothing I can do to get it to go behind the back ground either!

    There are no disappearing or missing wings or other plane parts like in the 911 clips!

    Why because the first clip (the fighter) is NOT cgi, it is not 2 pics blended together at 50% transparency! :icon_jawdrop:

    We can see the columns and the wing appear to be behind the building!

    Oh my my! So simple its mind blowing!

    Like I said folks there is absolutely NOTHING that I can think of to do to the first pic to get anything in the background to show through in front of the fighter. (I tried, aint happenin!)

    There is a long list of other things wrong with these clips, that is only the tip of the iceburg!

    hezerkoni on the other 2 seconds, one quick brightness and contrast adjustment! LMAO Oh Mckoko youve done it again!


     
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    You've seen it all, maybe you just weren't paying close attention. If you never saw the engine on the sidewalk, you're not as well informed as I had previously thought.

    jet engine on the sidewalk in manhattan - Bing images
     
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    I have yet to see any engine land on its ass without making a huge dent in the ground.
    8 ton engine dropped from 1/4 mile makes a nice ding in the ground or concrete, there is none.
    Do you have any pics of another engine in history that landed on its ass for a photo op?
     
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    The engine was not dropped from above, it had been going about 350 knots or more as the plane struck the building. Somebody really good at math could do the vector analysis if he had all the data, height, speed, etc. That's how it landed, banged up as it is. The interesting thing discovered at Pilots For 911 Truth 15 years ago by men in the business, is that the engine belongs on a 747, not a 767. It turns out the modification done to the 767 for the tanker candidate, work done in Israel by a company partly owned by Dov Zakheim, included bigger engines, the ones from a 747.
     

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