It's Started - Talk Of Revolution.

I didn't expect it this soon, but talk of another American revolution has started. Maybe I haven't been listening and I missed it.

Ultimately if the system is broken badly enough for long enough, then this is where we go.

The first thing that happens is always the same; Intellectuals - Liberals - public intellectuals - Academics - call them what you will, start producing reams of writings that outline and justify an intellectual case for violent change. This justification is normally on the basis that things are irretrievably broken and that the system can't, or won't, fix itself.

Well, that is what has just started - and be aware that it's the Liberals who seem to be talking this way. This blog posting is about the selective application of law against the poor and in the interests of the rich, and where that leads:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/


If you wish to reply to this post, please don't start talking cliches and telling me about your guns and what you are going to do to the dirty rotten hippies. This is serious.

If other serious people start talking this theme on the internet - "American Spring", etc. well, this is where you find out the hard way why the Patriot Act, detention without trial, the fusing of the Military and Police and Ten years of erosion of civil rights is such a bad idea.

The response of those in power will be to do whatever it takes to prevent this from being seen as a confrontation between the rich and the poor - which it is and is what the 99% movement is about.

If it comes to violence, well, I don't think the poor will win.

 

If only this were true. People are too stupid to object to being raped though, and love being screwed. Such is life in the corporate and republican worlds.

 

Obama thought he could be the great compromiser, the trouble is that the opposition are no more interested in compromise than was Hitler.

I use the word "opposition" because it includes most Democrat legislators as well as the Republicans. They will do whatever they need to do to hold or win office and they govern for the 1%.

That is the problem. It isn't socialists vs. free markets, its the very rich vs. the rest.

 

It's not easy to stand up and fight for your Liberty. To fight for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. To fight the govt for violating all of the above. But it's getting to the point where we'll lose everything if we don't.

Fighting for those things doesn't mean we have to injure and kill. It means we have to push and pressure every day. Relentlessly.
Watch. Participate. Be vigilant.
Vote in every election - federal, state, local.
Be informed.

Violence would be more direct, but SO costly. I hope we can begin to repair the damage without violence.

Job one is to vote Obama OUT. Get him and his socialist/Marxist/or communist colleagues OUT.

Next is to repeal Obamacare and open up drilling and get those jobs going.
Then roll back the glut of regulations, and scale back the size and scope of govt in general.

 

my guess is that they have known this is coming for a while, and there will be no revolution in the US Frodo.

the people have been taught to hate other people rather than allow their discontent focus on the cause.

if you have an external enemy - it lessens the possibility that there will be a revolution.

if the "enemy" is also within (as in a particular subgrop of americans) people can also focus their hatred on them.

due to the changes in the last few decades it is no longer socially acceptable for huge swathes of the population to focus their enmity on blacks, or on jews ... and 9/11 gave the perfect excuse to drum up hatred of muslims.

the internet has helped this.

ideally an instrument to educate people and to bring us closer together, it has been manipulated by those with an agenda to misinform us in order to promote division.

this then has a multiplier effect because contributed to by forums like this.

 

So, after Obama is out, who will replace him...specifically? Which republican sell out, corporate pig would you have in there? Romney? Or somebody even more of a corporate puppet?

 

There won't be any violent revolution along the lines of OWS gripes. OWS types really have nothing to complain about when things are put into context... and they know it. If they chose violence they'd be destroyed in short order.

There will be no left leaning revolution of any consequence.

 

Newsflash:
All you have to do is stop focusing on imaginary threats and vote for Ron Paul.

 

I almost agree with you. Anti corporate gripes and and other anti corruption advocates are normally and quickly squashed by the banksters and their right wing lemmings, before their numbers get too big for them to handle.

 

RP is a republican....(the party of the rich). He is hardly the answer.

 

Ahhhhh.......no offense, but I'm a true red blooded socialist and I've been reading lefty publications and web blogs for thirty years that sound just like this. I think things are heading in a bad direction, but I don't think revolution is right around the corner. That doesn't mean we are not recruiting for anyone wanting to join the rebellion. (just kidding)

 

The Republican nominee, that's who. Duh. It's a step away from what Obama really is, a Marxist.

Yeah, corporations are all about the bottom line. We have laws and agencies that are designed to keep them honest.

Where was the SEC when Bernie Madoff was bilking billions from investors? Watching porn on their office computers AND being staffed by people who weren't even qualified for their job.

They also create JOBS.

 

So any corporate right wing hack will suffice?

 

I'm speaking more along the lines of a worldly context. Things are no where near bad enough for the 'underclasses' to start violently revolting... but some seem to be steadfast in creating this perception.

 

Obama is a corportist and a sell-out. I wish he was a Marxist.

 

Do you not believe his is the direction we are heading?

 

I'm saying the water is beginning to boil the frogs, and the frogs ain't all that bright...

 

Who are you referring to?

 

Don't waste your time trolling me.

Step one is to get the Marxist out of the White House.
We need capitalism and jobs.

If you just want to go around in circles demonizing "the right" and "capitalism", you have no leg to stand on. The alternative is socialism and a govt that is totalitarian to whatever degree. That type of govt is a massive FAIL. History has proven it over and over. Europe is collapsing because of it, sir.

 

Oh, I'll just bet you do, "comrade".

 

Calls for a violent revolution from the academic establishment should never be trusted. These people are calling for revolution to engineer the collapse of the Constitution once and for all so they can integrate a true democratic authoritarian socialist system that installs Collectivist rights rather than Individiual rights.

These people are Communists!

 

Whats this talk of revolution that you've been hearing? You failed to list examples. There is always some discontent in society's no matter whats going on and I haven't seen anything more than that. The 99% movement was nothing near an example of the people rising up. You will also notice how quickly it faded out meaning that there is no backing for a political uprising whatsoever in this nation.

You should study some past revolutions and see the different circumstances required to get the people to revolt. America has none of those.

 

That although we are no where near bad enough for the 'underclasses' to start violently revolting... We may be heading in that direction???

 

The broadcst media and the defence contractors have a plan for war. It was called Iraq. Now we will see another one called Iran.

To be successfull in a revolution you need a plan. Dick Cheny and Paul Wolfowitz no how to do a war. They can sure do a revolution.