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Are you now blaming WWII on the Americans and Aussies?

 

Would you include Dwight Eisenhower among those 'treasonous' Republicans?

 

So because Japan "only " attacked Britain, Australia and the USA do you feel they should have been ignored and turned the other cheek? Something strange is going on in those Aussies schools, and perhaps their media also.

 

Am I, please show me where I said that. I said that Australia and The US antagonised Japan which is why they bombed us. They started it. They dropped the bombs... BUT our hands are very bloodstained. I honestly believe if Japan had been given the Racial Equality Clause they wanted, Japan would never have entered the war.

Funny, Australia and the US were the main two countries both against the Racial Equality Clause, yet both countries say they believe in equality, the US has it written in it's constitution in ink, yet both have significant examples throughout history, that their actual belief in white supremacy, is written in their soils in blood. .... AND STILL IS

 

She's a typical leftists in that she'll demonize the person rather than discuss the issues facing the country. It's what the Blame America First leftists do.

 

Yep, it's called "TRUTH"

 

Like you are doing to her, right ... thanks for the example

 

It was a question. can you not see that?

Our hands are not bloodstained whatsoever. You don't bomb people and start a war because someone was being 'antagonistic'. That's setting the bar too damn low.

I've never heard of anyone considering race as an issue in the Pacific War. The Japanese certainly felt they were the superior race at the time, if that's what you're getting at, and the same hatreds were eventually returned. However after the war and Japan's defeat it was the Americans who did all the forgiving and helped make Japan the strong and wealthy democracy it is today.

 

Haven't seen any sign of that so far but it may be on its way. So far it's just been opinion, and quite fact free opinion at that.

 

Whatever version of the truth makes you comfortable.

 

I'm pointing it out, not demonizing her. There's a difference.

 

I suppose that's the Aussie version of the white flag. Too bad. They used to have some balls.

 

I gave links, look them up, research, open your mind to other possibilities and recognise that maybe our histories have a few blemishes and warts.

 

Notice how they didn't bomb the whole island or chain? Why? I think the Hawaiians were giving them intelligence and the Japs needed them.

They figured they could use it as a port at some future time. I guess.

There is more at the link. I'd suggest reading it. It gives a different perspective, but the above is the one I understood to be true. That doesn't mean it is, but it does seem sensible. I'm just not sure about the attempts of the U.S. to gain territories during the Great Depression. I didn't think we had the money??

 

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking Aussie's don't have balls you could just lose yours. Australians have fought in every theatre since foundation.

Read about "The Rats of Tobruk" and the Germans, Rommel's in particular first defeat.

See what our SAS and Commandos are doing in Afghanistan at the moment.

Google Z Force and WW2.

Pound for pound, the US is no match.

 

He faked bone spurs, man he must be a magician.

 

In fact I lived there for two years and never once did I hear an Aussie blame themselves for WWII. That's a very recent phenomenon, and quite a different country then the one you described or the Australia I knew.

 

US 'expansionism' has come about through the purchase of land, The Louisiana Purchase and "Seward's Folly', not through war. America has always been magnanimous in victory, the first time in history any nation has behaved in such a manner.

 

No, you said we provoked them, so basically you were saying we were asking for it. They attacked us because they needed oil to continue their war goals and to get it, they needed to invade areas under US and British protection. Japan felt they got screwed over in the treaty of Versailles, but that is not why they attacked us.

 

Well most don't, just as most don't think we invaded an inhabited land and then systematically set out to exterminate them. Think what they may .... We did

 

Have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Yeah I know, and we didn't invade an inhabited island, there was nothing but animals here and some primitive manlike creatures with no culture.

England however was very cultured, the few rich dinned on pheasant and quail, washed down by wine, in obscene opulence, whilst those that worked to earn them their wealth would be imprisoned for life for stealing bread to feed their families and there was so many, the prisons overflowed, so they sent them to the other side of the world. Very cultured.

 

Really well debate my points

 

That's on you and your British ancestors, not the US.

 

Charles Dickens meets Victor Hugo. That's quite a concoction of muddled history you've got going.

In fact no country in the world matched England's wealth or power at the time, as well as its freedoms, systems of government, national pride, spirit and inventiveness. You're clearly being taught a new history, not unknown in other democracies, where you've learned to hate your past and the democracy you enjoy today. Instead you inherit guilt. and trash the honorable people who gave you the opportunities you enjoy today.