Jane Fonda on If She Is ‘Proud of America Today’: ‘No!’

Until she opens her mouth to speak.

 

Al Qaeda existed in Iraq LONG before Bush invaded Iraq. They were not active because Saddam would have killed them.

There was no Al Qaeda Iraq after Bush had pushed them all out. By the time Obama took over, Al Qaeda wasn't even creating terrorist incidents in Iraq.

It *was* Obama that let ISIS grow and become a force. No amount of rewriting history can change that fact!

 

No, the right was pushing for Obama to listen to the General's instead of to his campaign promises!

 

Nonsense. Al Qaeda Iraq was not part of bin Laden's Al Qaeda.

 

The moment of confrontation had come. President Bush warned Saddam Hussein that if he continued to interfere with United Nations weapons inspectors and to shoot at American warplanes over Iraq, he would have to pay the consequences. So Islamic radicals from all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia converged on Baghdad to show their solidarity with Iraq in the face of American aggression. Chechens in Persian-lamb hats, Moroccans in caftans, delegates who hailed “from Jakarta to Dakar,” as one Senegalese put it, poured into Baghdad’s Rashid Hotel, where Saddam’s minions urged them to embrace jihad as “the one gate to Paradise.” And the greatest holy warrior of all? “The mujahed Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers,” they were told. “Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state,” declared Saddam’s deputy Ezzat Ibrahim. The Americans had colonized Lebanon; they had colonized Saudi Arabia. But the line against them would be drawn in Iraq. Believers would triumph, said Ibrahim: “Our stand now can lead us to final victory, to Paradise.”
That was in January 1993 I was there, and every time I hear diplomats and politicians, whether in Washington or the capitals of Europe, declare that Saddam Hussein is a "secular Baathist ideologue" who has nothing to do with Islamists or with terrorist calls to jihad, I think of that afternoon and I wonder what they're talking about. If that was not a fledgling Qaeda itself at the Rashid convention, it sure was Saddam's version of it.
http://www.newsweek.com/seeing-evil-front-us-144757

And a few weeks later in February of 93 an Iraqi bomb maker and Ramzi Youssef, traveling with Iraqi passports detonate a bomb in the basement of WTC, and flee to Iraq. Ramzi Youssef, the nephew of Khalid Muhammad who master minded the 9/11 attacks on the WTC.

"On the front page of the paper's four-page edition for Nov. 14, 2002,
there was a picture of Osama bin Laden speaking, next to which was a
picture of Saddam and his ''Revolutionary Council,'' ....
On the back page was a story headlined ''List of Honor.'' In a box
below the headline was ''A list of men we publish for the public.''
....Halfway down the middle column is written: ''Abid Al-Karim Muhamed
Aswod, intelligence officer responsible for the coordination of
activities with the Osama bin Laden group at the Iraqi embassy in
Pakistan.''
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17205

 

The right wanted to bring our troops home and let the middle east rise and fall on its own.

 

Not from what I understand. They just wanted to untie their hands since they were there already. Eitherway they both learned as did Eisenhower about secret societies and our military. That what got them killed.

 

This has what to do with Bush II and the invasion he set in motion that created Al Qaeda Iraq?

 

Now you're getting into unfounded conspiracy theories.

 

I didn't say that it was!

 

Don't get me wrong I detest that blood thirsty Hillary but Trump has not kept any of his promises. I was hoping but not enough to vote fro any of them. The American people should have protested all the RINOS but instead went to the game or races.
Trump is too influenced by his daughter and her husband who are both George Soros allies far as finance at least. Also all his kids are liberals. Especially Ivanka.
Trump also gave more power to Asset Forfeiture law. Which is un-contitutional in more ways than one and double jeopardy.

 

Whatever you want to think.

 

Most of Al Qaeda Iraq's leaders weren't even Iraqi. They were Moroccan, Egyptian, etc.

 

I deal in facts, not theory.

 

All the nations you say we colonized are islamic hotbeds now. Iraq war was a lie and illegal,imo. There were christians,jews and muslims living in relative peace in Lebanon,Iraq and Libya until the wars.
How many more Americans have to die in foreign hellholes before this nation wakes up? Not to speak of the hundreds of thousands of injured and drug addicted by their military VAs. This was going on with troops since VNam. No damn wonder so many kill themselves now. Some of these drugs forced on these young men are terrible. I use to take a friend to VA and he would leave with a paper bag full of damn mind alterign drugs. He had 2 tours got shot both times and all they did was drug him up.

 

Whos facts is the question?

 

Please, the idea that JFK was killed by some mythical hidden government that wanted to promote the war in Vietnam is hysterical nonsense.

 

Didn't say it was the war. He was about to give a speech about the ones who control us had nothing to do with the war.

 

And whom might that be?

 

Follow the money and who benefits the most.

 

Thats fair up to the point of calling it treason. One needs not become a weapon for the enemy to oppose war. Propaganda is an effective weapon.

We can agree on that without disrespecting those who served along with the rest of America. You have my respect and my gratitude.

 

How about you big guy?

 

Do you know me petsonnally? No you do not! Do you know anything about when, where or how I served? No you do not.

Do not call my service in Vietnam "nonsense". I did not, do not. and will not denigrate your service, norvanyone else's service such as Like trump did to JohnMcCain's.

If you do not not know you should know that thevPurplecHeart in given to thise who pay the ultimate sacrifice to those who received a scratch as a result of enemy fire. Just as an example ( I hate to have to comment on my personal experience but it looks like I must). In 1969 in the Central Highlands a mortar round hit near (behind us) three American military personnel. The guy 3 or 4 feet to my left was killed by schrap in the back of his head. A buddy of mine to my right got his ear knocked with a piece of schrap. I ended up in hospitals for a few months. So three of all received the Purple Heart, but all three of us had a vastly different wound. There are no criteria for severity of wound fir a Purple.

So you want to be the judge log whether or not in your mind Kerry's Purple Hearts were cheap? Who the hall are you to make that call? You think that you are the God of war?

Do you have copies of the after action reports for the incidents tgstvKerry was awarded Purple Hearts for? No I am dure you do not. Do you have copies of Kerry's medical records? No, not those either.

You have a disagreement with the way Kerry behaved when he first returned ok state your opinions. You have a problem with what he said after he returned from the war and was running his mouth during that Winter Soldier deal? Ok express your opinion as I have on maybe this forum years ago when I was here before.

Look I do not care to denigrate Kerry's Vietnam service just because I may disagree with things he did or said. I will not denigrate your service either so do not denigrate mine. You want to denigrate Kerry's service as Trump did John McCain's well do so but there will be some of us here who do not play partisan political games with our fellow Vets service just because we may or may not agree with their politics.

At closing I again say don't you F-ing denigrate my service. You want to disagree with me on politics go ahead this is what this forum is all about.

 

"I did not, do not. and will not denigrate your service"

Oh yes you did. You said you didn't believe I served. "From your words I have to conclude that you never served in the military." That's what you said. You and Kerry can take his phony little purple hearts and put them where the sun don't shine. Kerry was a fake medal collector who got the hell out of Vietnam as fast as he could with a couple of tiny scratches. And every combat veteran I know sees it that way.

 

Do you even know how the drat worked between 1950 to 1973 ?

Of the 27 million men who were of military age (65-73) and were registered with their draft boards, 15.4 million deferments were issued mostly 2-S deferments.

Any male who attended college full time between 1950 to 1973 very likely had a 2-S deferment. Why ???

Because you applied for a 2-S deferment not at your draft board but during your registration procedure on campus when registering for college. It was SOP, while registering for classes. While registering for your classes you soon found yourself facing some snowflake liberal girl who informed you that if you don't sign this S-2 deferment application and you get drafted during the middle of the semester you will not be getting any refund of your tuition money. NO REFUNDS !!!

We don't know when Donald Trump developed bone spurs but when it was detected that Trump had two bone spurs he was classified as 4-F.
If the bone spurs weren't detected and Trump found himself in the military the bone spurs would have likely been detected during basic and Trump would have quickly been discharged and getting a 30% disability check every month for life.

Today if a soldier develops a bone spur he is discharged ASAP with a 15% disability for life. Why are they discharged so freaking fast ? If a bone spur develops in the other foot while waiting to be discharged it becomes a 30% disability for life.

Even flat feet will get you rejected from serving in the military today.

Now Bill Clinton actually did dodge the draft. Twice Bill Clinton received his induction orders and weaseled his way out of showing up at basic and someone else had to take Clinton's place. One has to wonder if that person's name is on the "Wall" ?