Japan Should Say, "Thank YOU" for The Bomb!

The revisionists keep repeating the tiresome canard that Japan wanted to surrender...but we just wouldn't let them. What they never mention is that surrender was on Japan's terms, and leaving the emperor and his government in a position of power and authority would be the same as the Germans demanding
that the Nazi party and their leadership remain in position in exchange for their surrender (an impossible condition to accept).

Leftists are essentially dishonest and this is just one more example.

 

There has been a bit more writing recently about their massive biological/chemical warfare research facility in Manchuria.
It was tasked with finding ways to quickly liquidate the population of China in preparation for Japanese occupation. Nevertheless, the Japanese are generally in denial.

 

It wasn't even surrender, they put out feelers about a peace settlement, a cessation of hostilities in effect. And as has been noted, we were involved in a peace negotiation with them when they sent their fleet across the Pacific in total secrecy with the intention of destroying our entire fleet and destroying or ability to recover before they could occupy the entire western and central Pacific and East Asia and in fact threaten the occupation of Hawaii itself An attack the was planned to take place just as the Japanese ambassador was to hand our Secretary of State a notice of the cessation of further talks and a declaration of war. In total surprise hidden behind false pretenses of peaceful intentions.

 

There is only one actual war crime: losing.

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And he was nearly assassinated for it.

 

They also had orders that, if the home islands were invaded, that every Allied POW held was to be executed.

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Never negotiate surrender terms. They should be DICTATED. As in, "This is what you will do, this is how you will do it, and if you do not like it, we will simply kill you."

 

after the dishonest and cowardly sneak attack combined with the fact that we only suffered 1% mortality of German-held POWs while over a third of our POWs captured by Japan died, lots of WWII veterans-including my late father-wouldn't have shed a tear if we had nuked every single city in Japan or firebombed the entire island the way the US Army air corps did Tokyo. If you think about things, Japan got off way easy. Hirohito should have been strung up for war crimes along with the ENTIRE japanese high command and perhaps any officer who had any control over POW camps

 

That is exactly why Democrats can not be trusted to be president. The blood lust of the democratic party is a disgrace to the United States.

 

That's childish. You want US troops to continue fighting and dying so you can petulantly rub it in the defeated enemy's face that you won? Unconditional surrender leads to unconditional war.

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LOL, I'm a conservative/libertarian. I'm just a grown up, that's all.

 

Then act like it and take a grown up stance. Stop your repetitious talking points
that ignore or omit certain facts. Like yes, the U.S. let the Japanese retain their emperor. But no, he was not allowed to hold onto power in a reformed government as the Japanese demanded. He was purely a figurehead, like the Queen of England, there more as a symbol than anything else.

So were the Japanese conditions for surrender reasonable? Not really and the bombs and the prospect of the Soviet Union carving up Japan brought them
to the realization they held none of the cards.

 

"...cowardly sneak attack..."? Should the Japanese have announced their intentions beforehand; 'move your ships and personnel somewhere safe because we're coming to bomb you'?

 

How rich, someone whose arse we rescued supports the surprise attack against us.

Yes a cowardly dispicable attack, as FDR put it.

"The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with the government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack."

 

OK, assuming you are correct, Japan gives up her empire, gives up her military, quits the war, allows the US to occupy mainland Japan and you are somehow trying to claim that this is unacceptable? As I've said before, you only make peace with your enemies. This childish notion that it's somehow inappropriate or weak to give an inch in peace negotiations is dangerous and a waste of lives.

Regardless, you don't seem to be familiar with the emperor's role in the Japanese government. He was not all-powerful or a dictator. His main function was as a religious leader, and they knew that putting the emperor on trial for war crimes would lead to unrest in the country. Demanding unconditional surrender is a foolish policy that only leads to unconditional war.

 

Yes, the Japanese empire was run by a brutal group of fascists and their cruel military. How does murdering innocent women and children get you any revenge?

 

There should have been no war crime trials. There should simply have been mass executions.

 

It was not murder why to you frame it as such?

 

I'm not.

It says give 1/5 of the plunder to the state. Something wrong with war restorations?
If you do, than repay Germany please.

 

Nothing unlike the Christians though. WWII and WWI, American civil war, Independence war. All the way to Roman conquest. The Christian/Jewish didn't conquer and enslave the entire world with pure luck.

Yup. Because the democrats and the republicans refuse to cooperate out of petty feelings.

 

Pff. That American retard wiped the entire Iraqi law and order including the army from the face of the earth. Imagine a city like LA without any police, justice department or army. That will turn into a freaking Max Max sequel without any form of democracy within weeks.

 

It may have been unacceptable to many in the Japanese military.
Obviously the US was fine with it all because we accepted surrender on those terms.

There goes your lack of familiarity with the subject matter again. The US gave in plenty.
The let Japan keep their emperor when they didn't have to. Immunized him and his royal family members from war crimes prosecution when they didn't have to.
The Japanese military was disbanded and allowed to go home without war crimes prosecution for many of the notoriously brutal and inhumane officers
that beat, starved and executed Allied prisoners of war, though they didn't have to.

Your words reverberate with me because we DID get unconditional surrender and
there WAS no unconditional war in return.

 

that's really stupid. after that attack we were justified in nuking EVERY city they had and shooting every single member of their military or government that managed to survive instead we didn't, we rebuilt the place and made it a better nation than it was before. it was a cowardly sneak attack because they were engaged in negotiations with us.

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They supported and sustained the government. how else are you going to break that country? insert snipers and hove them only shoot the fascists and war leaders?

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I suspect there was far more of that then we will ever know. I wasn't born then but men my father served with were involved in liberating some of the lesser known extermination camps. according to several, the guards and officers never made it to war crime trials-they were listed as killed "defending" the camps by the liberating allied forces. In reality, I suspect they were summarily shot after the officers saw what was going on in those camps

 

Not by choice. I certainly don't support the US's involvement in Syria, Libya Iraq, Afghanistan etc., yet my tax dollars are taken from me to buy bombs and pay soldiers to attack those countries. And again, why the fascination with hurting them? Negotiate a peace and end the war, don't continue to put our soldiers in harm's way just to get your anger out.

 

Mohammad was the state....just a ploy to get people to pillage for him.
Religions tend to be cons.

 

Yes, you make another good point. You are right, Christians/Jews/(and Hindus, etc.) are not better than Muslims - all religions seem to rob people of their intellectual consistency (they believe in magic "jinns", and/or "walking on water", and/or that a magic zombie will magically return and magically let them solve their greatest fear - their fear of death......all for just BELIEVING in said dead guy....yep, if it sounds too good to be true then it most likely is.)

I bet we agree that Mohammad's/Jesus' promise sounds too good to be true, right? I'm not a naive person, so I'm not falling for the ruse. How about you?

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George W.'s actions were certainly not perfect in Iraq, but Mohammad didn't understand democracy, so George W. knows more about what's best for the world than Mohammad did, obviously. At least we can agree that democracy is better than the totalitarian schemes of gov't that Jesus and Mohammad believed in. Jesus was for monarchies (obviously totalitarian, and no democracy), for one thing, so of course Jesus wasn't smart enough to actually be god/divine - so of course I left Jesus many years ago, in favor of Modern Secular Humanism.

You might want to consider doing that too, as of course it's more moral and more intellectually consistent than your current religion (or any religion, for that matter.)

 

Americans should thank Hitler for WW2? Trump would never have happened if not for him? Kooky logic at best.

 

Blah blah. Japan had no fuel and no air force. The end of the war was imminent. With the soviets drafting invasion plans it was all but over. The bombs were an unnecessary act of inhumane genocide. End of story.

I agree that japan should have been held liable for all it did. All the civilians in china, indinesia, aussies. Pows and the like. All of thise deaths should have had justice served on the purile scum emperor and his grotesque menagerie of royal blood. But to say the people of japan should be nuked to end the war when japan had no offensive capability left is sheer idiocy.