Jesus returns in 2017,,,,

Christians, Muslims, Jews all disagree on eschatology... And NONE of the Protestant sects agree on its meaning.

 

So when is Immanu El going to come?

So, those who don't 'believe' as you are called ignorant by you. Very open minded you are. There are literally hundreds of thousands of beliefs in this world, but they are all ignorant. Except 1.
You are only truthful to yourself, not to everyone else who has a differing belief from yours. So therefore, you are not being truthful.

 

There are a certain few who think that what they believe is absolute. And any other thoughts or deviations from their tiny narrow view is completely incorrect.
How some become so small minded is something I can't understand. May as well lock oneself in a room and just wait for the day to paradise.

 

I did not say he did. I said that. Where did I quote Rabbi Judah about Jesus?

reva

 

Lie # 1.

correct

Lie # 2 In hundreds of posts I have said believe as you must. I have said there is no correct religion, but you are too lazy to check it out before you slander me. So you are not only ignorant of Christianity you are ignorant when it comes to my personal beliefs. When I say someone lacks knowledge of Christianity that means they are IGNORANT of Christianity as taught not by universities but Sunday school at any church. When a member is that lacking in basic knowledge yes they are definitely IGNORANT of the subject. You and the other haters quote my entire post because they can not back up their lies directly. If they could you included my specific words, not a whole thread. But you can not because your criticizes are based on lies.

You are ignorant , lol. And off topic. And flame baiting as are most of the usual suspects ie trolls that follow Christians around like little chicks chirping to be fed. Bye bye little chicks. If you do not want to stay on topic leave and go whine to someone that respects your opinion.

reva

 

Pot....please meet Kettle.

 

Again what did the recovering alcoholic (God bless him I suppose Margot you are perfect?) Beck say that was not factual? Why is he a con man? Did you have even a clue bible colleges are just like secular colleges. Some are accredited some arent, you probably don't know what an accredited college is or you wouldn't make such dumb remarks trying to put down bible colleges. that Lastly what are your credentials that allow you to critique others education with slander and lies?

Ok forget education lets compare ummm becks accomplishments with yours?

This is a partial list ;

network producer,[5] media personality, and entrepreneur. He hosts the Glenn Beck Radio Program, a nationally syndicated talk-radio show that airs throughout the United States on Premiere Radio Networks. He formerly hosted the Glenn Beck television program, which ran from January 2006 to October 2008 on HLN and from January 2009 to June 2011 on the Fox News Channel. Beck has authored six New York Times–bestselling books.[15] Beck is the founder and CEO of Mercury Radio Arts, a multimedia production company through which he produces content for radio, television, publishing, the stage, and the Internet. It was announced on April 6, 2011, that Beck would "transition off of his daily program" on Fox News later in the year but would team with Fox to "produce a slate of projects for Fox News Channel and Fox News' digital properties".[16] Beck's last daily show on the network was June 30, 2011.[17] In 2012, The Hollywood Reporter named Beck on its Digital Power Fifty list.[18]


Now list yours since you think he is such and underachiever.....

Wait take any one of the people you listed and lets compare?

Now that would be hilarious eh?

dont bother.


reva






NOTICE TO THE HATERS;

Now I am being nice and not report anyone prior to this reply. However from this post on everyone try to stay on topic. No more stupid flame baiting or rules violations ~

 

This is a raw cut and paste (of comment about the 2017 coming of jesus and the end times or what Jewish people call the Messianic age.. This will get rid of the last page of hate too lol....so we can start anew or end this thread.

enjoy ! Oh the clip means a pic but they did not transfer.


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Could it be that we only have 7 years left before Messiah?

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This information was sent to me in an email. I have covered the part about the Rabbi already in a different post.

Rabbinic Prophecies over Jerusalem

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/jewish-prophecies-over-jerusalem/

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In this post, the rabbinic prophecies are tied in with the prophecy from Zechariah about the Red Horse, and the 70 years.

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The Red Horse

Zech 1:8 I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white.

Zech 1:9 Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”

Zech 1:10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the LORD has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”

Now this same red horse is the one in Revelation that is sent out to take peace from the earth

Rev 6:4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.

The 70 years

Zech 1:11 So they answered the Angel of the LORD, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.”

Zech 1:12 Then the Angel of the LORD answered and said, “O LORD of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah , against which You were angry these seventy years?”

Note that for a period of SEVENTY YEARS God has not allowed mercy upon Israel and especially Jerusalem … the Babylonian captivity was seventy years.

The red horse has been riding for almost 70 years now.

This is a dual prophecy.

It has been fulfilled in the past and will be fulfilled again in the future…

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Nations who “help” Israel, but with evil intentions:

Zech 1:13 And the LORD answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.

Zech 1:14 So the angel who spoke with me said to me, “Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts:

“I am zealous for Jerusalem. And for Zion with great zeal.

Zech 1:15 I am exceedingly angry with the nations at ease; For I was a little angry, And they helped-but with evil intent.”

Now here we see the anger which God has against the nations who have ‘used’ Israel …

Does this sound like the USA or other western nations today?….

“And they helped – but with evil intent.”

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The prophecy about a rebuilt temple

Zech 1:16 ‘Therefore thus says the LORD:

“I am returning to Jerusalem with mercy;

My house shall be built in it,” says the LORD of hosts,

“And a surveyor’s line shall be stretched out over Jerusalem.”

Revelation too covers this survey of a new Temple to be built

REV 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

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Prophecy of Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel

Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel was a top Talmudic scholar in Germany .

Just before he died in the year 1217 he prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight jubilees.

That is 400 years (8 x 50).

The Ottoman Turks did take control of Jerusalem 300 years after the Rabbi’s death in 1517 and as according to the prophecy, the Ottoman Turks then lost Jerusalem 400 years later in 1917.

The Rabbi then went on to say that after the eight jubilees, the ninth jubilee would have Jerusalem being a no-man’s-land, which it was from 1917 to 1967 until the Six-Day-War.

The Rabbi’s prophecy then stated that in the tenth Jubilee that Jerusalem would be controlled by Israel, and then the Messianic end times would begin. That would then bring the time to 2017.

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Connection between August 1914 and December 1917 (3 ½ year period)?:

The kickoff day for WWI was the 9th of Av (August 1) 1914, when Russia and Germany entered the war establishing the plurality of nations involved in the war.

In 1917 all nations that were involved in the war had become involved.

December, Hannukah, 1917 General Allenby entered Jerusalem and established it for Israel, taking it back from the Turks.

There are 1260 days between the 9th of Av (August 1) 1914, and Hanukkah (Kislev 26), 1917.

This timing of 3 ½ years is the same time for Jacob’s trouble, and the entry of Messiah into Jerusalem.

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100 year generation:

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100 years is the limit of a generation found in the Bible (as defined by Abraham’s 4 generations of a total of 400 years (400 years divided by 4 generations = 100).

Is it a coincidence that the Rabbi’s prophesy of 400 years also ends in 1917?

1517 + 400 (Ottoman rule) = 1917

1917 + 100 years (limit to generation) = 2017

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70 years

And in conclusion, if we take the prophecy of Zechariah…

1:12 Then the Angel of the LORD answered and said, “O LORD of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah , against which You were angry these seventy years?”

1948 – rebirth of Israel in 1948, (involving the replanting of the Myrtle trees chopped down by the Ottomans)…

+ 70 – years that God has been angry with Jerusalem and the cities of Israel (Judah)…

we arrive at the year 2017

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Thoughts – Right or Wrong?

Is the rabbi correct about 2017?

He was right about the Ottoman Turks, and the length of their rule in Israel.

He was right about the time when Jerusalem was “no man’s land” – between 1917-1967.

He was right about Israel regaining Jerusalem afterwards in 1967.

Time will tell.

This is 2010. We have 7 years left to find out.

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What is really important – the gospel and salvation:

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF SPEADING THE GOSPEL? …

IF YOU LOVE SOMEONE, TELL THEM THE GOOD NEWS NOW…TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE…

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I pray for all those who are lost, and who do not understand what little time they have left.

Jacob’s trouble is coming.

I told this to a loved one, and she became very depressed.

She is still young, she felt her life was over, and she was being “cheated” out of a good life because the world, as she knows it, will end.

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I can assure everyone that NO ONE who accepts Jesus as Messiah is going to be “cheated.”

The opposite will happen.

Their abundant life is assured, not taken away, and the Messianic age will be a joyful one, if we 70 Years and the Last Jubilee « Heaven Awaits said this on August 5, 2010 at 2:09 am | Reply

Hi marianne,It feels lkie it look at the sucides in different area’s cost to us and away from us.All kinds of things right before our eyes is happening each day.I’ve already start preparing as candles,and to have the creed in place and to remember to listen out for the warning signs as stated in in one of your post.When he said a large abundances of holy water for our windoors.How do i apply this the proper way?Is this something i should ask my preist?Oh,to the back door and front door.Please tell me step by step.This is for the 3 dark nights that’s suppose to occur.People really isn’t paying attention to the events around them.I’ve already start warning people of the small earth quake trimmer in our area few weeks ago.They don’t think nothing is coming the way they’re so quiet about it.That’s why he spoke of this major earthquake that could happen any time.People is not taking it serious.I got my altar set up i will add more things there to be in place.what else can you tell me that would help to be near me.I got 3 holy candles the large ones.Email me back.Thanks,Gracie

gracie said this on August 5, 2010 at 3:04 am | Reply

Gracie,

Rules set by men are NOT going to help or protect anyone…Read Psalm 91 and since Jesus is Jewish, I would put a Mezuzah on your doorposts which is stated by G-D to provide protection found in Deuteronomy 6:9 and 11:19 And you shall write [the words that I command you today] on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. -Deuteronomy 6:9, 11:19

http://www.jewfaq.org/signs.htm

lyndsey said this on August 5, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Reply

Marianne,

Sir Isaac Newton arrived at 2016…the solar/lunar eclipses (tetrads) that occur on Jewish HOly Days is 2014/2015……Obama was elected Nov 2008 and if he serves 2 terms wouldn’t that put us at Nov 2016?

I absolutely believe that we are getting closer. I try to witness and nobody wants to listen, so do I just move on or do I keep trying? What i have observed from the “baptist” community is that 1) they are waiting on the pre-trib so that they can live happily ever after…they have expressed that they don’t believe in Acts 2 -that was then and this is now paradigm-and they are very content sitting in their pews on SUNDAY no less and waiting for the “twinkling of an eye”. I get so upset and frustrated because I feel strongly that NOW more than any other time in history, we NEED the Holy Spirit to get us through this, protect us, warn us, speak on our behalf, SEAL US, and bring POWER to our witness to others….it is the HS that convicts us of our sins…if our churches continue to stay DRY then HOW do we reach more people?

Given all the research and people coming up with similar dates or dates within the same vicinity, give or take a few years, I firmly believe that we are HERE-that which has been preached for centuries has finally arrived and what drives me NUTS is everyone sticking their heads in the sand!

Good post!

lyndsey said this on August 5, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Reply

not too sure what to do about those who will not listen or are not interested. Just do your best, and do not get frustrated. THe holy spirit will do his job.

Thinking….

1917-2017 is actually 101 years, if you count both the years 1917 and 2017.

this means 2016 would be the last year.

Marianne said this on August 5, 2010 at 1:22 pm | Reply

are you calculating Jewish years? That is incredible that Isaac Newton, Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel, Mark Blitz and Marianne Tioran…who have NEVER met one another are coming up with the same DATES!

lyndsey said this on August 5, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Reply

oh, and don’t forget the guy who did the Daniel’s timeline…wow!

lyndsey said this on August 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm | Reply

Amen, Lyndsey : )

do you ever listen to Tsiyon Heights radio show? It’s done by a guy named Eliyahu ben David. He has recently been doing a bunch of talks on signs in the sun/moon/stars etc, space exploration and its consequences…pretty interesting.

blessings to you in Yahshua!

Liz said this on August 12, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Reply

Hi. I’m not sure what the predominant denomination is for this sight, or if there is one. Though, in truth, all Christians should stop bickering and pointing fingers & false accusations (I’m Catholic, & I see a lot of unfounded claims, though well written & could easily mislead, by fundamentalists). I have also found deeper faith. Teaching as a Catechist for a 4th grade class. Finding myself evangelizing more w/ atheist. What I find helpful, though depends on which group you are trying to minister too, is prayer. Pray for patience & understanding. Pray for the Holy Spirit to help speak (or type if online) for you. Pray for the Holy Spirit to use you as an instrument of evangelization.

Though results w/ the other isn’t immediate, I have found that by praying, words and discussion points flow more easily. Helping to give me perspectives that I hadn’t thought of.

Now, again it really depends on who it is you are trying to minister too. An atheist will be different than a misled Christian, which would be different than one that belonged to a cult type faith, which would be different than someone that hasn’t been raised to know God or Christ, which would be different than a Muslim, & so on. For a misled Christian, I find scripture is the best way. Cross referencing scripture, & sharing the full context- as many have been taught using parts & pieces of scripture, taken completely out of context. Always pray prior too- if possible- & then after. Giving thanks for God’s help, & asking for further guidance & reflection for the next time.

W/ atheist, I find breaking down the evolution & life argument. Use science facts. Such as the immense complexity of even a single cell. I like using this- I could hold a rock in my hand for ever, willing it all I want, but it will NEVER become life. Or, the science FACT that one can’t create something out of nothing. And where did all the raw materials, a mass that us incomprehensible to our mind, come from. How can two comets moving at 100,000 mph, colliding by chance, magically stick together (yes, this is one hypothesis stated as fact- not to mention all the other things these magic rocks can due (watch how the universe was created on the Science channel. It is unbelievable that anyone actually believes the power of rocks. They stick to each other, they created the moon, they evaporated venuses atmosphere stripping her to the iron core, knocked Uranus on its side & into another orbit, brought all the water to our planet, brought life to our planet- amazing hunh?!?). Anyhow, back on topic. Show how evolution does not have the evidence claimed. How any one in the science realm that dares to bring up creationism, is expelled (on Netflix, their is a great documentary by Ben Stein called ‘Expelled’. Highly recommend watching!

Good Luck!

TruthSeeker said this on September 25, 2012 at 6:40 am | Reply

hi truthseeker

Good arguments. Keep it up.

I am a scientist, so you won me over!


Marianne said this on September 25, 2012 at 8:34 am | Reply

What’s fascinating is how shi’ite muslims even believe their 12th and final imam is coming. Ahmadinejad publicly stated that he believes he is paving the way for him and the Mahdi (who is muslim’s redeemer). They also prophesy that the Jews will expect their Messiah to rescue them, but that He will be the anti-christ, called Dajjal, and teach muslims to reject him.

Not many know about this, but what an amazing twist of characters from the muslim beliefs and satan’s lies, when in fact, Dajjal (their anti-christ) will in fact be Jesus Christ at the second coming and the Madhi (their redeemer) will in fact be the anti-Christ.

This morning, I read about the transfiguration and couldn’t help but notice how it starts off stating, “After six days…” The six day is about to finish and soon we will see glorious splendor, praise His holy name!

Mel said this on August 5, 2010 at 5:21 pm | Reply

One thing is for sure the time is nearly than ever before. Only God knows the actual time and places. However there are signs as you so wonderfully shared here. I was reading this morning in the book of Job that the fear of the Lord is wisdom and obedient is understanding. God is good. Share as much as you can and God will provide increase. To God be the glory!!!

JBE said this on August 5, 2010 at 6:07 pm | Reply

Hi Marianne,
If you take into account the lunar tetrads discovered by Mark Blitz to occur on the feasts in 2014 and 2015… and that Jacobs trouble will be shortened, (for the sake of the elect) then 2017 might just be right and rapture this fall! Praise God!!
I too, have found people very resistant to the hearing that time is short. I have been praying for God to bring people into my sphere of operation who are ready to hear. It is tricky. I have usually operated under the method of building relationships of trust and mutual respect with people and sharing the Gospel in the least confrontational way as possible. Slow. Lovingly. Respectfully. However, with time being so short I am envisioning myself behaving like a lunatic on the steps of the courthouse. To quote one of my heros , Terry Taylor of DA, “Souls saved by this ministry, 11. Souls irrevocable hardened to the Gospel by this ministry, 133 million!!! People we have negative fruit here!”
I want to spriniting to the finish line, panting-but not necessarily foaming at the mouth…
How are y’all balancing this? Or do we?
Grace and Mercy to you,
Malia

Malia said this on August 6, 2010 at 1:11 am | Reply

hi Malia.

How am I balancing this?

I sit every morning and drink my coffee, and just reflect in amazement at what god is doing.

Other wise, I am doing nothing. Nothing I can do more than what I am already doing.

So I relax and wait, and discuss with those who are interested.

Marianne said this on August 6, 2010 at 2:32 am | Reply

You said, “and rapture this fall!” That was 8/6/2010. The rapture didn’t happen the fall of that year. The Rapture as you call it, is actually the Day of the Lord, when the Father will return and do what He will do, not a Messiah of christianity. There is no one else but Yahweh. No other Savior but Him. He’s returning. Not Jesus, Yeshua or anyone else. He is the Savior of Yisrael. Be at peace and know that He is in control.

Nicole said this on August 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Reply

Hearing all this about the end of the world is so depressing. and to top it all off, i don’t really know what to do with it. I want to tell my family about it, but they won’t listen, or they think im crazy or just being too dramatic. i love and believe in God, but sometimes i find myself slipping too. i just don’t want it to be too late and i haven’t prepared my family or even my self for it. Please help me as to what i should do!!

stacey said this on August 6, 2010 at 4:12 am | Reply

Stacey

All you can do is your best with family. What you cannot do, God CAN do. You will have to just put it in His hands, and let Him handle it.

Marianne said this on August 6, 2010 at 11:16 am | Reply

its just sometimes when i think about it, it gets me so scared. but i’m realizing that i need to have more faith in God and trust him. Thanks for the reply. !!

stacey said this on August 13, 2010 at 4:11 am | Reply

I think 2016 or 2017 will pass by quietly, not that I want to break your hearts, but my calculation tells me nothing’s gonna happen.

y’all can put your trust in me, I will let you all know when the time comes near. I really want you all to be happy and not worry about the end, there is still lot of time left.

My dreams are calm and there is no sign of end near. I wish y’all happiness.

Suzy.

suzy said this on August 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Reply

LOL, sorry…but, i’m supposed to trust YOU because you haven’t had any dreams indicating the end is near? I think i’ll trust YHWH rather than “Suzy” : )

Obviously, we are not to live in any fear. But we are told to notice the signs and to be ready for hard times and suffering, and be prepared to ENDURE coming trials. Sure, we could be misreading the signs of the times, there is always the chance that the Lord will not return for hundreds of years…but it does appear that the time is indeed near…and even if not, Yeshua told the disciples 2000 years ago, to be always ready and prepared!

Liz said this on August 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm | Reply

Jesus warned not to listen to the ministers who say end is near. Here is the reference:

“Take heed that ye be not deceived, for many shall come in my name, saying, `I am Christ’ [I am anointed], and `THE TIME DRAWETH NEAR’. Go ye not therefore after them” (Lk.21:.

Suzy.

suzy said this on August 6, 2010 at 9:13 pm | Reply

Suzy

Jesus also said:

Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [some] of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Luk 21:20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:25 ¶ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

You remind me of someone who also tried to tempt Jesus with the Word of God Jesus was here on earth. You are doing the same thing to me. Perhaps you know him?

Marianne said this on August 7, 2010 at 12:15 am | Reply

I sincerely tell y’all that end will not come in our life time, neither will awaited Messiah or Jesus or Anti Christ or any such figure will come in our life time, there is no such possibility.

This is a bitter truth for those who lay all their hopes on someone’s return. Much better way is to lay hope that when individual life ends then you will get a chance to meet God, which can happen from 20 to 50 years for most of us. But little do we understand.

Suzy.

suzy said this on August 7, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Reply

What qualifies you as an expert in eschatology?

We all will meet God. Not all with continue on with him after death. We either go to heaven or hell after judgment.

You did not answer my question.

Marianne said this on August 7, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Reply

Suzy, it’s one thing to say “I do not think this will happen soon”, but quite another to arrogantly claim to have inside knowledge that it will NOT happen for sure. I suggest you submit to the authority of Yahshua our Messiah, allow Him to be the author and perfector of your faith, and “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding, but in all your ways, acknowledge him , and he will make your paths staight (Proverbs 3:5).

bless you.

Liz said this on August 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm | Reply

Let’s have a bet then? I say Jesus will not come in 2016 ot 2017 and I will let time prove me right. However let’s put half of your retirement fund on this bet. See I am kind to just put half on bet. How else can I prove??? So if I win I get half the funds.

I say this cuz I’m sure….I dont really mean to take your money but I have no other way to prove….. so if you are sure on your saying then either join the bet or prove it in some other way?

2016 or 2017 is not far and time will tell who is right.

Suzy.

Suzy.

suzy said this on August 7, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Reply

Gambling is a sin. I do not gamble.

You also have to understand all we are doing here is speculating about the time of the return, not guaranteeing a date.

We see the signs and make calculated guesses. But Jesus said only the Father knows the day and the hour of his return.

WE discuss when this could happen, and then take a “wait and see” approach.

Marianne said this on August 7, 2010 at 1:26 pm | Reply

…i too have seen a change in how people (family and church friends) respond to mentioning end times. There is much denial….i feel they are afraid of losing their possessions…or having to change themselves. So many are losing homes, jobs, and their health…yet they rather live in denial then turn to the Lord! In 1 Corth. 3:6,7….one person planted the seed, another watered it, but GOD made it grow. This has helped me greatly with my sorrow over lost loved one…i am doing what he wants me to do…and trusting Him to make the seed grow. The more i am in His word the more peace i have in the chaos of this world. Satan is working overtime to oppress and bring God’s children down…this takes us focusing on Christ Jesus for each step…praise God we are on the victorious team. HAVE HOLY COURAGE !!!

sue said this on August 10, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Reply

hi Sue,

Do not give up.

God has much more strength and endurance than we do.

I am still waiting, after many years, for my seeds to grow also.

Marianne said this on August 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Reply

Dear Marianne, I thought I might inject a little possibility, If the earth is shaken as the scripture says it will, and the axis rotated to 90 degrees again we coukd see the days shortened as the bible talks about 1/3 of the stars, 1/3 of the moon and 1/3 of the sun dissappear. Could actually be the days shrtened by 1/3 = 18 hour days, thus crop failier etc. ans we would still have 1260 dats as Daniel & Jonh says! What do you think?
Phil From Davis

Phil Nelson said this on August 12, 2010 at 4:54 am | Reply

Wow, a 90 degree change in the axis? That is a lot. The north pole would end up at the equator. I think the days would still be the same length. It is just that our latitudes would change. If the earth started to spin faster, that would make each day shorter. I really hope I am not here to find out.

Marianne said this on August 12, 2010 at 11:43 am | Reply

Not a 90 degree axis change but a 23 degree axis change back to it’s original orbit before Noah’s flood, what now?

Phil Nelson said this on August 13, 2010 at 5:56 am | Reply

Phil

I am not sure what will happen, as far as earth changes. How did you determine a 23 degree change?

For me, no one still alive was around back then to tell us what position the earth was in, and how much it changed.

But maybe this will happen. Maybe this is one reason the believers are removed from the earth at one point.

We are promised a new heaven and a new earth. It sounds like God is going to do some restoration to our planet, after a long time of damage by mankind.













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Again this prophecy is made up,
here is the ORIGINAL SOURCE
http://issuu.com/ryaninzion/docs/israel_today_march_2008

1. Other than what Schneider wrote, I have no reason to believe that Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel ever even gave such a prophecy. Should I just believe that this Pentecostal pastor even saw and could even translate such a document from the 13th century? Where is the document and any peer review of such a significant fulfilled prophecy?
http://www.fresh-hope.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55609

It is absolutely on topic whether this prophecy is real!

Report away you insults and threats are meaningless just like the prophecy!

 

part 2


Hi Oscar,
I think if you think about it a bit more deeply, it becomes quite easy to imagine an angry God…not petulant as a child, but righteously angry at evil and disobedience/sin. Similar to the anger you might feel at hearing about some child getting raped or murdered, or seeing some teenager teasing an old man. But the thing is…we don’t see ourselves committing such terrible acts, so we think we should be ok in God’s eyes. But He is SO holy and righteous, that when we think about some stupid driver on the road “that person is an idiot!”, YHWH cries deeply and is angry over our sin…we are condemning that other person, and if we wish them dead, God says that is sin and evil, just as actually murdering them is. It’s a high standard, and only Yeshua obeyed perfectly, so we believe in Him and ask His Spirit to help us become more and more like Him each day….thinking pure thoughts, loving our enemies, forgiving others, and obeying all of His commandments…which He made for our GOOD, so that things would go well for us in this world.

Blessings to you.

Liz said this on August 21, 2010 at 1:55 am | Reply

Marianne, although I do not necessarily agree with you, I very much appreciate your polite answer. I believe that certainties regarding that which is divine equals blasphemy. However, I like what you said about your god being a god of love and justice. Justice is very important. Sadly, many injustices are commited by many religious folk who, astonishingly, claim to worship a loving and merciful god. I think you’re not that kind. Anyway, peace be with us all.

óscar said this on August 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm | Reply

hi oscar

I understand your feelings.

Mankind has done much evil in the name of God, yet God never ordained it.

This is the difference between a man made religion, and a right relationship with God. The heart has to be submitted to God, and his commandments. If it isn’t, man makes up his own rules.

Several times in scripture, God has made it known that he is against those that speak in his name, or say they were sent by Him, when he never spoke to them, and never sent them. These are false teachers and false prophets. You are justified in rejecting them.

Jesus also predicted that in the last days, which we are in, that there would be a great falling away in the church, and only a remnant would make it though the tribulation or time of testing.

God does not accept those that make shallow claims of holiness. God only accepts those who meet HIS criteria for holiness. His law has to be in their hearts, not just their minds.

God made us to love him and serve him, and give him glory. Those that do this will see him in eternity.

Marianne said this on August 18, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Reply

Yesterday I was thinking about this conversation here. You see, when I read the Bible I know I’m reading a book written by men. But I thought, that if I wanted to recognize god’s “handwriting” I only had to look everywhere and see it in all creation. I believe that modern science is the heir to yerterday’s theology. Had the Bible’s writers known what we know today they would have written very differently.

It’s ok to say that the end-times are near. Many people have said this throughout history. But there you have it again: your own interpretation of facts. You feel something’s wrong in the world, and what do you make of it? That end-times is near. But that’s only your interpretation. Did god tell you that the end is near? I mean, technically speaking, everyday we are closer to death than in any other moment in our lives. But to say that end-times is near is to say that you have a correct interpretation of the mind of god, which is quite impossible for our human minds.

I don’t separate Mind from “heart”. They’re both the same. What we percieve as the “heart”, is in fact, a segment of the Mind.

Cheers.

óscar said this on August 19, 2010 at 2:32 pm | Reply

hi oscar

When I say the end times, I am referring to descriptions given in the bible about a future time from that point in the bible.

The current events match the description given. Also, current world tensions indicate, by themselves, a dangerous scenario where we could have another world war. This next war could realistically wipe out the planet, if participating parties go out of control. A nuclear war would be devastating.

Iran, Israel and the US threaten each other. Russia is aligned with Venezuela and Iran. It is providing Iran with nuclear material, and threatens to attack anyone who attacks Iran. Iran insists on blowing up Israel. So far, the US is intent on blowing up Iran, if it becomes more nuclear, or touches Israel. That is just those 3 countries.

Then the world economy is going in the direction of the mark of the beast…a mark or chip in the hand or head for commerce and trade. Without it, we will not be able to buy or sell.

Just a few examples of what I mean.

Marianne said this on August 19, 2010 at 3:21 pm | Reply

The creation surely shows the handiwork of God and is glorious in His name. But many have fallen away by worshiping the creation (science) and not the Creator. That is the error. We must let nothing stand between us and God. Not science, the creation, false prophets, idolatry, rituals, money, lust/sex/flesh, divination, astrology, symbol worship, tarot cards, black magic, etc, etc. ALL the Glory belongs to HIM. Check yourself and recognize these are all false desires. Once your desire is to know Jesus Christ firstly and lastly, you have a direct connection to God. The path is narrow indeed and as man is a sinner, it is easy to falter. Do not be deceived in these times of great deception. There truly is a spiritual war going on and run by those ‘possessed’ by a powerful evil spirit and his minions. God gives us the armor to defeat.

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Reply

don’t you think back in WW2 most of the people thought that it was the end too… God only knows , why fret? just live each day like it is your last, praise the Father and Son,, turn everything over to them….

Deb said this on August 25, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Reply

WOW so much information and nothing said.

We do not know the hour but the day, month and year is for us to determine. Rev 12:1-5 we see in the havens a drama unfold.
Rev 12:1 AND A great sign (wonder)–[warning of future events of ominous significance] appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and with a crownlike garland (tiara) of twelve stars on her head.
Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and she cried out in her birth pangs, in the anguish of her delivery.
Rev 12:3 Then another ominous sign (wonder) was seen in heaven: Behold, a huge, fiery-red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven kingly crowns (diadems) upon his heads. [Dan. 7:7.]
Rev 12:4 His tail swept [across the sky] and dragged down a third of the stars and flung them to the earth. And the dragon stationed himself in front of the woman who was about to be delivered, so that he might devour her child as soon as she brought it forth. [Dan. 8:10.]
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a male Child, One Who is destined to shepherd (rule) all the nations with an iron staff (scepter), and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. [Ps. 2:8, 9; 110:1, 2.]
On two occasions do we see the moon, planets, sun and stars line up like this.
11 September 3 BC and 3 October 2016. This can be confirmed with and reasonable good astronomy software programmes.
The 3 eclipses take place on:
1) 1 Sept 2016-Solar-Leo
2) 16 Sept 2016-Lunar-Pisces
3) 2 Oct 2016-Solar-Virgo
4) 3 Oct 2016-Feast of Trumpets (Return of Jesus of Nazareth)
5) 12 Oct 2016-Day of Atonement(Jesus resurrects believers(dead in Christ first, then those who are alive and remain ~ at-one-ment (with))!
6) 17-23 Oct 2016-Feast of Tabernacles (Jesus, with His saints, rules for 1,000 years on earth!)
7) 24 Oct-Last Great Day(Jesus’ Great White Throne Judgement!)

Wilhelm F Visser said this on September 12, 2010 at 2:45 pm | Reply

dear Wilhelm

Thank you for that insight. I did not realize that Rev 12 was a description of the planetary alignments.

I was aware of the eclipses occurring on the feast days, but not aware that this was a prediction of the eclipses.

Marianne said this on September 12, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Reply

extra thought

From 3 BC to 2016 AD is about 40.3 jubilees total.

Marianne said this on September 12, 2010 at 3:45 pm | Reply

totally agree Wilhelm… signs from the heavens! not sure this gal is correct, but watch her video .. she’s at least ‘watching’ the signs

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 6:26 am | Reply

addendum: am still struggling with the 2 witnesses and having thoughts that they could possibly be 2 who watch the ‘signs in heaven’ or astronomy by matching the bible codes of prophecy with the heavenly signs. Perhaps after proving them without any doubt, they may ‘preach’ to all the world for the stated period of days, yet be ignored as in the days of Noe. Sure makes sense with all the dismissals we see of ‘news’ that this could just be another that is ignored. They wouldn’t have to be astronomers per se, but; may just be lay people, making them even easier to dismiss. I have to remember when interpreting God’s words that he double speaks and there are usually 2 messages…. often one for the heavenly realm and one for the earthly realm.

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Reply

2 witnesses could be 2 people , like moses and elijah, or a particular prophet and a particular king

or 2 people groups….like christians and jews, or prophets and kings (political leaders)…

Marianne said this on October 24, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Reply

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part two continued ;

This video also gives testimony to 2017 being the year of God’s rest…with Christ return in September 2016…and last fest after that…very good video…

http://www.waytozion.org/video/stream/timeline/timeline.html

Barb said this on November 5, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Reply

hi Barb

thanks for the video…I will take a look at it

Marianne said this on November 6, 2010 at 1:57 am | Reply

Barb
enjoyed the video.. only found one fault in his calculations however…he forgot the sun position IN virgo must be giving birth… if you notice on his astrological chart the sun is nowhere near virgo .. much less near the ‘birth canal’ or correct position. Hopefully, he will be given more insight and rework his proposal. I think he IS on to something…..

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Reply

DREAM OF LAST !00 YEARS.

I was in Buffalo New York on New Years Eve 2002 and I had a dream in the very first hour of 2003.

In my dream, I saw a platoon of German soldiers about to go over the top of the trenches in what I believed was the WW1.

I particularly noticed one certain soldier of the group who was an about 19 years old with dark hair and rather good looking.

As this platoon attacked the allies this young soldier was shot and killed as soon as got to the top of the trench.

Then I heard the audible voice of the Lord.

He said.

This is the beginning of the last day.

I asked the Lord. “How long will the last day be Lord?”

The Lord replied.

The last day will be as 100 years.

I believed that it was WW1 because of the size of the trench. The first war was fought from the trenches.

Ray Lyne said this on January 8, 2011 at 12:02 am | Reply

I had wondered if it was going to be 70 Jewish Years or 70 Calendar Years. Now it is January 2011 it is Calendar Years. I believe 2010 was the start of the Days of Noah with Record Breaking Flooding Rainfalls all over Planet Earth. Now it is in QLD, Australia with 75% flooded. In January 2009 for the first and only time in my 75 years my Heavenly Father gave me a vision of these words. Jesus Christ is Coming Soon. As soon as I read the words they disappeared.

Kenneth Acushla said this on January 13, 2011 at 1:39 am | Reply

hi Kenneth

That is a good comparison between the floods of Noah and the current flooding we see around the world.

Marianne said this on January 13, 2011 at 1:46 am | Reply

Lyndsey said this on May 28, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Reply

Very inciteful approach. I’ll have to research some more. Psalm 83 war, and Jehoshophats war fit nicely into his theories. It does open up a new way of seeing current events.

dru said this on May 29, 2011 at 1:43 am | Reply

This prophecy by Judah Ben Samuel , concerning the year 2017 is correct , i was told of the lord to look at what year the temple was destroyed , which was Ad 70, and GOd works in symetry i could show some but will not at this time but latter, the 70 years was after death of Christ, and for me to look at the rebrith of Israel may the 14th 1948 and count tbhe 70 years by 360 days per year, equals 25200 days , add to may 14th 1948, and you will end up at may 12th 2017 , this will be the time when the temple will be rebuilt, and defiled by the antichrist , and Jewish people will go into hiding , bless all who rewads this ,you may call me Biship,

Bishop Braswell said this on September 8, 2011 at 7:31 pm | Reply

A generation could be 70 or 80 years, according to the Bible. This put the end at 2017 or 2027. However, the Messiah said that the days would be shortened. So, the end could be 2016-2017 or 2026-2027.

Michel

Michel Abi Raad said this on September 20, 2011 at 5:15 am | Reply

hi Michel

I hope for a soon return for the Messiah. However, in wishing this, I am hoping for a persecution to come soon for my beliefs. It is a conflict we all face. Maybe asking for more time is asking for mercy, not just for ourselves, but for others who are not ready yet.

Marianne said this on September 20, 2011 at 9:51 am | Reply

Hi Marianne,

We ARE really in the last days. The rebuilt of Israel in 1947-1948 is the most important sign. Many scholars agree we are in the last days, but they disagree on the time. Once you see Jerusalem divided within Israel and Palestine, you can ensure we are just some dozens of years before the return of the Messiah.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/me/#!/note.php?note_id=1965900231711

Michel Abi Raad said this on September 21, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Reply

Notice in the news these days that there is ongoing move to divide Jerusalem through the UN.

But I didn’t understand what you meant by your awaiting persecution.

Michel Abi Raad said this on September 21, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Reply

hi Michel

What I meant was that to wish for the soon return of the Lord is to also wish for the conditions and circumstances that precede his return: all the evil, wars, famine, deaths, martyrdoms that have occurred for 2000 years will climax.

His return is a rescue mission, which means that there is something he will be rescuing us from. How much evil will occur before he arrives will affect everyone. But only the Father knows when the time is right.

Marianne said this on September 22, 2011 at 12:55 am | Reply


Hi Marianne and all,
As I have been reworking timelines, I stumbled upon this sight and had to share it with all. God’s clock if you will, and has implications for daniels 70 sevens, or conversely, 7 seventies, as I have been studying it. I will share that later.

http://www.creation-answers.com/seventy.htm

Scroll down to the section “A functional calendar”, and bear in mind that the earths rotation has been slowing miliseconds.
Truly amazing!

dru said this on April 17, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Reply

Marianne,
The reason that I pointed this site to you, so that you may consider it. I believe we will have one more “week” of years added to your date you are talking about above with regard to 2018. The 70 year cycle coming to an end, in 2018, and the final seven beginning….and then the great sabbath rest.

dru said this on April 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply

You might be right. This are all “guesstimates.”

Marianne said this on April 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Reply

Prophecy from Siener Van Rensburg
” During the time of that new government the Lord will return and establish His Millennial reign on the Earth, but also very big trouble will be upon the earth, and as a result many European refugees will flee to South Africa.
[Christ’s 2nd coming :http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm]

The second coming of the Lord being a jubilee year it’ll cause the borders of South Africa to extent beyond Zimbabwe and Namibia. Striking details in his dreams and prophecies are known, and symbols reoccurring in his visions are consistent and can be with relative ease correctly interpreted.

http://sa.2012jubilee.info

http://2012jubilee.info – worldwide

Vanessa said this on September 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply

Quoted from The Four horseman and the Two Witnesses

http://jahtruth.net/horse.htm

“Now we come to the second of the four horsemen “And there went out another horse that was RED: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another (the red and white horsemen): and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Karl Marx, the human and “visible” author of communism, working for his master Satan, claimed that he had been given a sword by Satan and he would drag God down from heaven and defeat Him with it. Rev. 6 v 4 – the second horseman on a red horse was given a great sword. RED is Satan’s colour (Rev. 12 v 3 & 9).

In Rev. 11 v 7 we are told that in the same day (year) when the Two Witnesses have finished their testimony, which was to be the same year that Jerusalem was to be liberated from its “treading down by the gentiles” (Rev. 11 v 2-3), the beast would rise out of the “bottomless pit” (Satan’s place) and make war against the Two Witnesses, and shall overcome them, and KILL them. Note well – KILL them.

The word gentile means “foreigner”, non-Israelite – non-British people. Hence the British expression, nomatter where they might be, irrespective of whoever’s country they might be in, “I am not a foreigner (gentile), I am British (Israelite).” They say it automatically to native people in foreign countries. That is illogical unless you refer it back to the words gentile and Israelite. They say it automatically as though God were speaking through them, which, of course, in this instance He is. Through them and to them at one and the same time, telling them that they are His chosen people Israel.

The British have always classed themselves as a “nation apart” from others and as being special but God chose them to be His SERVANT Nation NOT a master race.

The year that Jerusalem was liberated by British/Israel soldiers from Turkish/gentile domination was 1917. This same year (day in prophetic coded language) 1917 saw the RED communist revolution in Russia and the beast (system) that rose out of the “bottomless pit” (Satanically inspired and controlled) make war against the Two Witnesses for 70 years, all over the planet and will, soon, also, exactly as prophesied, overcome and KILL the Two Witnesses – the U.K. and U.S.A.

Vanessa said this on September 15, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply

much respect vanessa… I see the 2 witnesses that are ‘killed’ as The Old Testament and the New Testament. In other words, the rise of ‘satan’s’ governance/NWO/ whatever label you like to call it… will kill the Word of the bible which contains the old witness and the new witness. I don’t expect Elijah & Moses to return and preach, nor 2 human men to do it… but more as a symbolic move against Christianity, maybe in lieu of a one world religion, or a dominance by Judaism or orthodoxy… who knows until the future arrives…..

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 am | Reply

i say watch out for october 13th this year for the coming of the fire , and may the 12-14 weekend in may of 2017 will be the beginning of jubilee , for the nation of Israel they will be delivered from thw antichrist and brought to a place called Petro.that will be exactly 70 years Israel becoming a nation agin may the 14 ,1948 counting by old bible days 360 days for a year like before the flood and also like when the tribulation time , for days shall be again 360 days per year . revelation chapter 11, verse one down to verse 6 and revelation,chapter 12, verse 6 . for the axis of the earth will be moved back into its place, where it was before the flood came, which will happen this year , dec, 21, 2012 , als the time of enlightenment is upon us, and many shall learn all things that God desires to reveal unto them, for he wants us to know all truth and many secrects are going to be revealed even those things which was told to be sealed in the ministry of Daniel , i will state also that this year is going to end with a bang , God bless all from the Prophet of the end time ,

the Prophet said this on September 20, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply

The Bang in the end year is when Jesus starts his next mission from the Vatican. The real Ortodox Prophet!

Istone said this on September 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Reply

What is the source of the fire?

Marianne said this on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply

The 13 oct = Me and fire extinguisher.

Istone said this on September 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply

many thought that we were baptised by the fire on the day of pentecost but we were not , we were baptised by the holy spirit, but not by the real fire of God. acts chapter 2, down through 4, verse 3 says , and there came cloven tongues like AS of FIRE , and it sat upon them , the word baptisam means to emerge , and you dont sit upon, for baptisam, this gave the the abilty to speak with OTHER tongues , there are three baptisams . st Luke, 3, 16-17 , 1, water, 2, holy ghost , 3, with FIRE, hebrews 12, 29 our God is a consuming FIRE, and in the FIRE comes, the seven parts of the spirit revelations 4, 5. and Isaiah 11. 2 gives you the seven parts of the spirit, the HOly Ghost , wisdom , understanding , counsel, might , knowledge ,and Fear of the Lord , which we shall be baptised, by the reall fire of God , the baptisam by fire is for the end time people of God, our bodies is his tabernacle , we are to repent , and beconverted in our flesh then present our bodies as a living sacrifice ,and we shall go forth and walk in the fullness of God,healing is in this fire. all knowledge and all power is in the fire, so allow your mind to think out of the box, and see God in all of his glory because he is in the fire, eve as he was in the burning BUSH and it was not consumed , we shall become his Burning bush, and shall not be consumed. I will speak more about October the 13th latter , but look at the movie about the girls at Fatima, our nation shall be come one , most of us and it shall be called the time of Enlightonment , it will only last for very short time, before the rapture of the church, but it shall be awesome, in God displaying his power through us which believe , we will not appear to be a weak church any more. we are his bride and shall be shown off before the world , in his glory and power , even as the children of Israel did before they left egypt. bless you from the Prophet of the Lord

the Prophet said this on September 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Reply

wow i had typed you a lot of information concerning the question that you had asked, and some how it disapeared from the screen, for i do have an answer but it was so much informaton , i can not retype it now, but will later when i have the time, for i am a Pastor also, i have a book online, call, time and calendar decoded which can be purchased from barns and noble . com or Amozon .com. thank you and bless you again

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 20, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Reply

dear prophet

you are talking about divine fire. I am expecting physical fires, but they might be the catalyst for the divine.

Marianne said this on September 21, 2012 at 12:48 am | Reply

i am talking about the fire of G-d the same fire that consumed the burning bush ,as G-d spoke to moses, a holy fire , and yes Divine fire

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 21, 2012 at 1:49 am | Reply

the fire that runs your body , which is electricty .the same which gives you light and power in your home , but on a greater level, and able to do more things, electricty is spiritual , for that which is spiritaul is unseen
, it is Gods energy , we just have a small amount of it that gives us life, we live from atoms , which contains protrons netronand electroms , electtons is where we get the word electricty from
, and that is your fire , . the prophet of the Lord

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 21, 2012 at 1:57 am | ReplyHi Marianne and all,
As I have been reworking timelines, I stumbled upon this sight and had to share it with all. God’s clock if you will, and has implications for daniels 70 sevens, or conversely, 7 seventies, as I have been studying it. I will share that later.

http://www.creation-answers.com/seventy.htm

Scroll down to the section “A functional calendar”, and bear in mind that the earths rotation has been slowing miliseconds.
Truly amazing!

dru said this on April 17, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Reply




reva

 

Marianne,
The reason that I pointed this site to you, so that you may consider it. I believe we will have one more “week” of years added to your date you are talking about above with regard to 2018. The 70 year cycle coming to an end, in 2018, and the final seven beginning….and then the great sabbath rest.

dru said this on April 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply

You might be right. This are all “guesstimates.”

Marianne said this on April 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Reply

Prophecy from Siener Van Rensburg
” During the time of that new government the Lord will return and establish His Millennial reign on the Earth, but also very big trouble will be upon the earth, and as a result many European refugees will flee to South Africa.
[Christ’s 2nd coming :http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm]

The second coming of the Lord being a jubilee year it’ll cause the borders of South Africa to extent beyond Zimbabwe and Namibia. Striking details in his dreams and prophecies are known, and symbols reoccurring in his visions are consistent and can be with relative ease correctly interpreted.

http://sa.2012jubilee.info

http://2012jubilee.info – worldwide

Vanessa said this on September 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply

Quoted from The Four horseman and the Two Witnesses

http://jahtruth.net/horse.htm

“Now we come to the second of the four horsemen “And there went out another horse that was RED: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another (the red and white horsemen): and there was given unto him a great sword.”

Karl Marx, the human and “visible” author of communism, working for his master Satan, claimed that he had been given a sword by Satan and he would drag God down from heaven and defeat Him with it. Rev. 6 v 4 – the second horseman on a red horse was given a great sword. RED is Satan’s colour (Rev. 12 v 3 & 9).

In Rev. 11 v 7 we are told that in the same day (year) when the Two Witnesses have finished their testimony, which was to be the same year that Jerusalem was to be liberated from its “treading down by the gentiles” (Rev. 11 v 2-3), the beast would rise out of the “bottomless pit” (Satan’s place) and make war against the Two Witnesses, and shall overcome them, and KILL them. Note well – KILL them.

The word gentile means “foreigner”, non-Israelite – non-British people. Hence the British expression, nomatter where they might be, irrespective of whoever’s country they might be in, “I am not a foreigner (gentile), I am British (Israelite).” They say it automatically to native people in foreign countries. That is illogical unless you refer it back to the words gentile and Israelite. They say it automatically as though God were speaking through them, which, of course, in this instance He is. Through them and to them at one and the same time, telling them that they are His chosen people Israel.

The British have always classed themselves as a “nation apart” from others and as being special but God chose them to be His SERVANT Nation NOT a master race.

The year that Jerusalem was liberated by British/Israel soldiers from Turkish/gentile domination was 1917. This same year (day in prophetic coded language) 1917 saw the RED communist revolution in Russia and the beast (system) that rose out of the “bottomless pit” (Satanically inspired and controlled) make war against the Two Witnesses for 70 years, all over the planet and will, soon, also, exactly as prophesied, overcome and KILL the Two Witnesses – the U.K. and U.S.A.

Vanessa said this on September 15, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply

much respect vanessa… I see the 2 witnesses that are ‘killed’ as The Old Testament and the New Testament. In other words, the rise of ‘satan’s’ governance/NWO/ whatever label you like to call it… will kill the Word of the bible which contains the old witness and the new witness. I don’t expect Elijah & Moses to return and preach, nor 2 human men to do it… but more as a symbolic move against Christianity, maybe in lieu of a one world religion, or a dominance by Judaism or orthodoxy… who knows until the future arrives…..

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 6:11 am | Reply

i say watch out for october 13th this year for the coming of the fire , and may the 12-14 weekend in may of 2017 will be the beginning of jubilee , for the nation of Israel they will be delivered from thw antichrist and brought to a place called Petro.that will be exactly 70 years Israel becoming a nation agin may the 14 ,1948 counting by old bible days 360 days for a year like before the flood and also like when the tribulation time , for days shall be again 360 days per year . revelation chapter 11, verse one down to verse 6 and revelation,chapter 12, verse 6 . for the axis of the earth will be moved back into its place, where it was before the flood came, which will happen this year , dec, 21, 2012 , als the time of enlightenment is upon us, and many shall learn all things that God desires to reveal unto them, for he wants us to know all truth and many secrects are going to be revealed even those things which was told to be sealed in the ministry of Daniel , i will state also that this year is going to end with a bang , God bless all from the Prophet of the end time ,

the Prophet said this on September 20, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply

The Bang in the end year is when Jesus starts his next mission from the Vatican. The real Ortodox Prophet!

Istone said this on September 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Reply

What is the source of the fire?

Marianne said this on September 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply

The 13 oct = Me and fire extinguisher.

Istone said this on September 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply

many thought that we were baptised by the fire on the day of pentecost but we were not , we were baptised by the holy spirit, but not by the real fire of God. acts chapter 2, down through 4, verse 3 says , and there came cloven tongues like AS of FIRE , and it sat upon them , the word baptisam means to emerge , and you dont sit upon, for baptisam, this gave the the abilty to speak with OTHER tongues , there are three baptisams . st Luke, 3, 16-17 , 1, water, 2, holy ghost , 3, with FIRE, hebrews 12, 29 our God is a consuming FIRE, and in the FIRE comes, the seven parts of the spirit revelations 4, 5. and Isaiah 11. 2 gives you the seven parts of the spirit, the HOly Ghost , wisdom , understanding , counsel, might , knowledge ,and Fear of the Lord , which we shall be baptised, by the reall fire of God , the baptisam by fire is for the end time people of God, our bodies is his tabernacle , we are to repent , and beconverted in our flesh then present our bodies as a living sacrifice ,and we shall go forth and walk in the fullness of God,healing is in this fire. all knowledge and all power is in the fire, so allow your mind to think out of the box, and see God in all of his glory because he is in the fire, eve as he was in the burning BUSH and it was not consumed , we shall become his Burning bush, and shall not be consumed. I will speak more about October the 13th latter , but look at the movie about the girls at Fatima, our nation shall be come one , most of us and it shall be called the time of Enlightonment , it will only last for very short time, before the rapture of the church, but it shall be awesome, in God displaying his power through us which believe , we will not appear to be a weak church any more. we are his bride and shall be shown off before the world , in his glory and power , even as the children of Israel did before they left egypt. bless you from the Prophet of the Lord

the Prophet said this on September 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Reply

wow i had typed you a lot of information concerning the question that you had asked, and some how it disapeared from the screen, for i do have an answer but it was so much informaton , i can not retype it now, but will later when i have the time, for i am a Pastor also, i have a book online, call, time and calendar decoded which can be purchased from barns and noble . com or Amozon .com. thank you and bless you again

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 20, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Reply

dear prophet

you are talking about divine fire. I am expecting physical fires, but they might be the catalyst for the divine.

Marianne said this on September 21, 2012 at 12:48 am | Reply

i am talking about the fire of G-d the same fire that consumed the burning bush ,as G-d spoke to moses, a holy fire , and yes Divine fire

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 21, 2012 at 1:49 am | Reply

the fire that runs your body , which is electricty .the same which gives you light and power in your home , but on a greater level, and able to do more things, electricty is spiritual , for that which is spiritaul is unseen
, it is Gods energy , we just have a small amount of it that gives us life, we live from atoms , which contains protrons netronand electroms , electtons is where we get the word electricty from
, and that is your fire , . the prophet of the Lord

the Prophet of the Lord said this on September 21, 2012 at 1:57 am | Reply
now allow me to see if i can type what i had written last night, you was asking about the seven years, the question that you are really asking is when is the LOrd going to come, many people will say you are off your rockers for asking that , they will says does not the word of God says st , matthew 24, 36 says But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no not the angels but my father only, and they are right but we have top pay attention to every word that he is saying and difine them, like for instant did he say, no man knoweth , which is a present tense word , which meant at that time, it was not saying in the future he would not tell any man , then not in the pass, , pay attention to verse 37, But AS the days of Noe where (Noah)so shall also the comeing of the son of man be. ask this question did God tell noah the excat day tghat it would rain before it rained , if u were to ask any of your friends most of them would say no he did not tell him , and that he went into the ark and waited. but go and read for your self , genesis 7, 4, and then go down to verse 10-13, and you will find that God told noah exactly when the rain would com, and as he told noah he also will tell us , read AMOS, 3, verse 7, then go to st john chpater 16, verese 12-15 ,also, 1st thess, 5, 1-6, from these scriptures you will find that he will tell us all things even the things to come, the prophet that you saw the jewish Rabbi, whos name was Judah Ben Samuel, his info is correct , and the person who did the commentary on his work is very good and his predictions bring you in close to the time of the rapture and some of his number are right, but understand i want you to come to your own understanding through the word of God , also add st john, 16 , 12-15 for ge will tell us even the things to come, besure to look at every word which is being said, bless you from tghe Prophet of the Lord,

the Prophet said this on September 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Reply

here’s a couple more ‘believers’ to support Marianne’s proposal

same calculations here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9DDH1PycBQ

these are more urgent (ie. Oct. 16, 2012 date) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZWivkvTrCw&feature=related

DebOrah said this on October 24, 2012 at 5:55 am | Reply

Jesus will hold the doom from the Vatican from dec 2012 and it will probably last 3,5 years. Then he will be on the planet Nibiru a while and then come to Jerusalem. So year 2017 or 2018 will probably be the time when Jesus comes to Jerusalem.

Adam said this on October 24, 2012 at 8:12 am | Reply

Jesus will not return to Jerusalem in the year 2017, But will come to the place call Petra , the place of the rock, this is where the jewish people will hid from the antichrist, and there Christ will teach them his ways, the ways of the new testament , he will heal them of their unbeliefe,and their hearts will forevever be with Christ. and at the end of tribulation time Chirst will turn them back to God as God’s healed wife, never to turn from God the father ever again,

Dec. 21,2012 is not the end of the world nor is it the beginning of the tribulationtime , but there will be a great change in earth,

the Prophet said this on October 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply

The P
Rev 14:1 “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion” and
ZECHARIAH 14:4 ” And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives”
This describes Jesus return to Jerusalem not Petra. Jesus has to kill the AC before and defend his people before they accept him. He can not do that from Petra.

Dec 21 2012 is the end of times. It means that 13 baktun ends and 14 starts.
14 is the time of aquarius. Jesus promised to come back in the end times in Matt 13:36-42. This is his start at the Vatican and later he will return to Jerusalem.

Adam said this on October 24, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Reply

very good post
perhaps readers should look into the week of thousand year days for confirmation
one such construction is given at

http://otis-a.com/27412.html

also the site shows many reasons to consider 2017 as prophetically substiantial

the1balfour0century0 said this on November 15, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Reply

Oh, this is very very interesting.

Another prophetic posting pointing to 2017?

Jubilee does begin in 2017 (per this post), fitting with the Jubilee years of 1917 and 1967.

“The Rabbi’s prophecy then stated that in the tenth Jubilee that Jerusalem would be controlled by Israel, and then the Messianic end times would begin. That would then bring the time to 2017.”

So now, Seal 1 and 2 are open. Seal 3 is up for discussion (economic/inflation scales).

As I posted many times- I reason that we are the “fig tree generation.”

November 1947, the command goes forth from the UN to establish Israel + 70 years (a generation per Psalms 90:10) = 2017 and the end of the age (Matthew 24). Jesus said, all these things I tell you will come to pass within this generation.

Jubilee year: October 14, 1967 (Yom Kippur) + 49 years = Oct 12, 2016 (Yom Kippur, 10th of Tishrei, 5777). Then, we enter into the 50th year (God’s rest, Jubilee).

This blog post (words of the Rabbi), fits these dates.

Oct 2016 – 7 “weeks” of Daniel = Oct 2009.

On October 9, 2009 (Feasts of Tabernacles), a “crown” (prize) was given to the rider of white horse, while he “confirmed peace with many a month before at the UN The date of the UN speech was 09/09/09 (Seal 1).

Seal 2 = “Arab Spring” the regional (Strong’s) not earth, revolts. This began in Tunisia (December 2010), speeding rapidly (red horse), across the region.

Sign in heaven (Rev 12:1-5), occurred on 09/29/11 (Feasts of Trumpets).

Oct 9, 2009 (Feast of Tabernacles) + 7 years (Daniel’s 7 weeks) = October 10, 2016 (Yom Kippur).

With this timeline (2009 to 2016), the Tribulation Mid-point is March 22,2013,which just happens to be the day after winter and before Sabbath (Matthew 24).

There must be an event prior to the abomination event of March 22, 2013. The abomination comes after “he” is revealed as The AntiChrist.

Seal 4 opens once “he” is revealed and then – everything rolls in order thereafter.

His “Servants” are cared/provided for during the coming days (Isaiah 65).

Just like those in the wilderness under the leadership of Moses, knowing only a few “faithful” and “true” entered into the promise (God’s rest), 2017. We just don’t know the day or hour.

We overcome (Rev. 12:11) and if we endure, we shall reign with Him (2 Timothy 2:10-13).

Prepare your oil vessel, be a wise virgin (Matthew 25).

Blessings
Psalm 29

DJ said this on December 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply

Doesn’t the Bible say only He will know the time and date of the end of days? I don’t think we should be speculating on something only He is supposed to know. Follow His ways, and you will be redeemed.

Paul said this on December 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Reply

hi paul

yes the bible says that, and we should not get too caught up in the timing. But the Lord also said to watch the signs of the times, and it is spiritually rewarding to study the patterns and clues in the bible. So it not with unbalanced preoccupation that we look forward to our blessed hope, but with enthusiasm.

Marianne said this on December 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Reply

We must all study His Word. Perhaps the Lord was responsible for writing it, perhaps he merely imparted His knowledge of events to others. Either way, we will all meet Him one day. I am Jewish; I am absolved of my sins in a different way than Christians believe. That being said, I believe the Lord looks at your actions first, and at your religious affiliation second. Naturally though, you have to believe in Him first.

Paul said this on December 21, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Reply

I understand and agree.



end of lesson

 

(see title) was to show the haters how its done. That was real productive debate unlike the flame baiting tripe the usual haters posted in my thread. I wanted to show the haters that intelligent discussion can be generated from exactly the same material my thread was cut from. I am not saying all the replies have been trollish a few were truly good. Now lets try to stay on topic if you do not want to discuss the OT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

reva

 

OH God... LOLOL.. Jesus is going to spend time on "Nabiru".. Shades of Sitchin.. How absurd.

BTW.. The beast was Nero who people believed would return from the dead with an army of Parthians, cross from the Euphrates River and start persecuting Christians all over again.

 

Two things remove all credibility from this post....and they are almost equal-

1. Prediction for the "end of the world"....a hobby more than 1000 years old among fundamentalist Christians and despite hundreds, even thousands of failures....it keeps drawing fans to it.

2. Support for the idea that Glenn Beck is NOT a dishonest huckster. After I have shown one (of many) clear examples where Beck absolutely and demonstrably LIED....and not just lied, but lied to his FANS at a (ironically) "Restoring HONOR" rally.

 

Here is the Jewish Encyclopedia from 1906 and the entry for your Rabbi, not one mention of "the Jubilee Prophecy" . If the authors had put anything in the Encyclopedia about the coming of the end of Turkish rule in 11 years time that would make me seriously reconsider my whole attitude to prophecy and religion!
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9020-judah-ben-samuel-he-hasid-of-regensburg
Call us haters or trolls or whatever you want, all I would like is to see the truth, which I was told Christianity sought!

 

Christian doctrine.

One God - 3 persons - Father , Son and Holy Spirit (which no-one can explain)
Jesus - god in flesh - crucified - resurrected
Sin - breaking gods law - Forgiveness in Jesus sacrifice - Not by works, but faith
Heaven and Hell
Bible - Inspired word of god.
One way to heaven - through Jesus
Devil - fallen angel

If I've forgotten anything you can add it.

And it all stems from the supposed revelation of 'Jesus' (Messiah) in the Tanakh. Everything depends on the recognition of Jesus as the Christian Messiah. I don't believe Rabbi Jesus ever expected anyone to start a religion in his name. I don't believe he ever believed himself as 'the eternal son of god', but as 'a son of god'. Much is down to how the disciples wanted to see Rabbi Jesus. Add to the Gospels in the Bible the gospels not in the Bible and you get a different Jesus. There are many suggestions why the 4 Gospels in the Bible were chosen, and not the others.

Prophecies, given time, will come true in someones imagination. Most Tanakh prophecies are historical records. The only factual points in the Tanakh come in the era of the Kings. Nothing before, despite Christianities insistence. Even the Jews are becoming resigned to that fact.

Even the prophetical visions in Revelation stem from Tanakh, written by a Jew. You are a minister, you should be able to understand that.

 

Well, some people do like the most despicable person in the Bible for some strange reason. When I ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil I learned the difference between them. The Abraham character is pure evil. If there's an actual lake of fire his behind needs to be in it.

 

According to my and about a zillion other theists my interpretation of scripture will have the Christians will suffering from more and more persecution in the end days including beheadings which is happening as I speak. Many things ie signs will occur the most important is that Israel which as risen as per prophesy becoming an nation in ONE DAY* will be attacked by China, who marches a army hundreds of millions strong across the dried up Euphrates** Russia and a middle eastern country, probably Iran or Iraq will suffer a horrible defeat when Israel uses nuclear weapons or God uses supernatural power that will mimic a nuclear attack. They will attack a second time with slightly different players including the revived roman empire with the antichrist leading. Anything else?



* Israel becomes a nation in one day; www.1260-1290-days-bible-prophecy.org/bible_prophecy-Israel-nation...
1260 plus 1260 years exactly to 1948 fulfilling a Bible prophecy. ... Ezekiel 40:1 (ASV) In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of .... between the prophecy of Ezekiel 40 to when Israel becoming a nation to the very day?


reva

 

Ol' Abe is a lovely character, huh? His wife can't get pregnant...but he needs an heir. So he rapes the maid and gets her pregnant. She gives birth...but then a "miracle" happens and the wife finally gets pregnant......she orders him to kick out the maid and his own son...and he does.

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Wasn't all that supposed to occur like TWENTY YEARS AGO (in the 1990s)....according to Hal Lindsey in 1970?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late,_Great_Planet_Earth

 

Its like the lottery. No one knows the day and the hour eh. This is the first time in history we could fulfill all the prophesy by our own hand. Science has had hundreds or maybe thousands of failures, still people still 'worship' Darwin etc.

Well reproduce it here. As I said beck is not my favorite and I use him to learn information which I check. Show where he is FACTUALLY incorrect. Anyone that uses personal issues to demean a person is worse than what the troll is calling out. Its the lowest of the low to demean a recovering addict or someone down on his luck. It takes a real jerk to do that.

reva

 

Hal Lindsey had a lot of things incorrect and some correct. We are theists not prophets. At first he seemed to make sense but as I researched his material I found he took way too much artistic license. The reason I so closely reviewed his stuff was that he and I disagreed about the rapture. I do not believe the rapture will happen, we Christians will suffer the tribulation just like everyone else. We disagreed on more than the rapture and I emailed him to let him know he was leading people astray. After a few back and forth emails we 'stalemated', and I never did trust him or his material after that.

reva

 

And yet...YOU claim you DO know....you claim it will be in 2017. So you're violating Scripture.

I SHOWED where he was factually incorrect....when he claimed he "held the Washington Inaugural in my hand"....he was forced to admit that was a FALSE claim.

And how is it a "personal" issue to point out that you are asking for credibility....while supporting and defending a man with no credibility?

You should have denounced Beck as dishonest. Instead, you are still trying to give him credibility and defend him....which shows you have a political agenda for supporting Beck, even over the Truth.

Therefore, it discredits any other statements or claims that you make.

 

If he ends down there in that eternal lake of fire you can tell him you told him so!

reva

 

Lindsey was as accurate as your claim....until he was proven wrong.

Be advised, I, for one, am quite patient.....I SAVE posts and the links to them, especially on predictions.....and I have plans to be here at "Political Forum" ....after December 31st, 2017.

 

Irrelevant.

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