Many Muslims are very familiar with Christian and Jewish scripture and can talk about it with tolerance and mindful civility.
I have an hour to kill so ill answer you knowing full well you won't be able to argue with me..... Reality is questionable, its questionable if you realy exist at all, in the end its not what others think of you but what you think of yourself that defines you and that's the only thing that's matters really. That's because you leaped over ~1500 years without looking , ofc in 1500 years nations change, Israelites are recorded with the same time as Canaanites by Egyptians monuments, the refer to "Judeans/Jews" from Israelites is also recorded in the Bible (2000 year old copy) and Assyrian relics of the time, I showed it to you roughly 3 times before, if you dont remember its because you always disapear when I present you with facts. It's not because Israelites are the bigger group and Judeans are just part of, Judeans are all that's left of the Israelites, they are their direct and only decendants that carry on the faith, culture and language of the ppl, Its not the same word because they are not the same groups, Israelites were 12 tribes while Judea was just the biggest tribe of them all. See above, they wouldnt refer to King David as Judean like the wouldnt call him after any other tribe, he was king of all tribes - thus Israelite..... Why ? No, "Yids" is what mommy and daddy told you to call Jews when you were growing up, I'm not judging here......to each his own..... Yiddish, and I told you that roughly 7 times before is a dialect of Hebrew, you heard of Hebrew I suppose ? the same Lang and same writing as 2000 years ago - again, according to "dead sea scrolls" which I can read and also an Yiddish reader. Yet here we are..... Yet you can't read Hebrew so how could you possibly know what the word means in Hebrew ? Yea......Im waiting to hear WHY......, y'know, it's what FACTS are made of, the reasoning behind the claim...., you have a reasoning I assume? Why can't they be called "Hebrew" or "Israelite" ? The development of the "Jews/Judeans" happend only much further on as you said above - civil war, remember ? - so I dont understand your point....its the Jews that have a link to Israelites not the other way around.....its like saying my Great great granfather has links to me ...
thats a bold statement, maybe you just dont know who or where tthe Israelites are. as for jewish ppl being the direct descendants of judah, thats possibly your own tradition and personal belief, one which idisagree with on the basis that every body who now converts to judaism is jewish aka a 'direct descendant' in your words, that is a conflict in your own research/philosophy. Depends really on how you define 'direct descendant'. Could it be you refer to a descendent of political ideology only? There are contrary claims and alternative evidence that suggests so
Gilos quotes; Yet here we are..... referring to Hebrew Israelites. Do you ever make an accurate post?
Its written in the Bible that the rest of the tribes assimilated to other nations thus lost, they lost what they once were, There is an Indian Jewish community that say they originate from the tribe of "Menashe" that's worth mentioning but that's about it, If you have any other intel - please do share, history researchers would be grateful. By "direct" I mean if you trace the parents up the scale you will reach an Israelite ansector, Im not ignoring converts that have no direct connection - I'm simply saying those converts do not nulify the ones that do have connections......, even when Israelites married outside of their communittes as long as their children were brought up in the religion and kept the culture - they are full members and have the links you seek since no marriage down the line will ever erase the Israelite father, Thou the important thing is simply to keep the nation "alive" by following the tradition.
Perhaps its an English misinterpretation of the word on my part, I wrote what I ment in post #156. - - - Updated - - - The last surviving decendants that carry the tradion, damn right in that.
Its not what ithink that matters its what the bible says. Does the bible say that Israelites would be lost forever or does the most high say he will never forsake them and will gather them again? Yet these are your own traditions that you developed in europe, they are not the same traditions as Afrikan Hebrews for example. None of these traditions mean jewish ppl are direct descendants. That is your own tradition and faith, it hasnt been proven as yet. IMO all jewish ppl are converts. - - - Updated - - - No. You may carry on the faith of the OT but The Tribe of Judah reject your claims to be descended from them.
all Jews are converts? that's a pretty sily thing to say. "Jew" does not mean direct descendant of Judah. a Jew is anyone who has a Jewish mother or who has converted to Judaism.
Racists indoctrinate young minds to believe jewish ppl are descended from the Tribe of Judah. This is nothing more than white supremacy at play and many westerners follow this racist tradition created by white supremacists in european aristocracy.
how can it be "white supremacy" if hundreds of thousands of Jewish people are black....and millions more Jews are non-white Caucasian?
im not aware of any jewish black ppl. all jewish ppl (99%) are white and caucasian according to your very own definition. according to racists there is only caucasion and token negroes and nobody else on the planet.
there are more than 100,000 Jewish Ethiopians in Israel today. millions of Jews in Israel are from North Africa, and are not considered white. you might want to read up on this subject a little more.
ethiopian israelis arent jewish, they reject jewish tradition. white racists state that they are jewish merely to try and give credit to judaism but it doesnt work on the wise. we know they are Israel and not converts to a european man made religion.
His name is Shlomo molla, he is a Knesset mamber in Israel. He came from Ethiopia in the Operation brothers that took plave in 1984 by the American organization for Ethiopean Jews. In Ethiopia he lived in a small Jewish village that locate in the area of Gondar. His name is Shimon Solomon, he is part of the third largest party in Israel. He came from Ethiopia in 1980 with his parents and his 5 frm his 6 brothers and sisters. He has a BA in Social work frm Ben Gurion University (locates in Be'er Sheva), he stopped his studings because he needed to leave Israel for Foreign Ministry Mission in Ethiopia. He also was an emissary at the Israeli Embassy in Addis Ababa, and that just two of his many jobs as prayer leader. Her name is Pnina Tamano-Shata, she came to Israel in "Moshe Operation" that took place in 1984-1985. She is a lawyer and a jurnalist. She was a representative of the Israel Press Council public, between 2009-2012 she was a justice Reporter of the Israeli Channel One. In 2012 she became a Knesset mamber and part of the thirs largest party in Israel! One of her jobs as a politican was a vie chairman of the Knesset. And that just 3 Ethiopean Jews from Israel, there are lots of them in Israel as lawyer, judges, politicans and more.
what the hell are you talking about? of course the Ethiopian Jews are Jews. its pretty racist to say that an Ethiopian cannot be a Jew simply because he is black.
I asked if you have evidence to support your claim there are other tribes - not what you think. The state of Israel gathered Jews from all around the world. Same book, same laws,same paryers, same tradition and in most cases same language. All of them do, the Talmud written in Babylon referes to the Israelites as our fathers, so do all Jewish communities since ever. It has been proven as much as any other nation has close ties to each other, and in historic review there has never been a period of time were there were no Jews around, their line is continues. You have the right to...., but according to your theory - who converted them ? and what happend to the "real" Jews ? That's funny, I just ended a phone call with them and they said they agree with me, what did they tell you ?
What are you talking about??? lol Etheopean Jews are among the most devout followers of the Jewish faith "we know"......you dont know anything, have you spoken to an Etheopean Jew once?
That's BS, the Jews always regarded the Israelites as their ansectors - centuries before Zionism, before anyone dreamed about rebuilding the state, its you that try to change history because of politics not us. - - - Updated - - - No, its EXTREMLY racist to say that.
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it doesnt matter what ithink, its what the bible states, you think it states that Israelites are forgotten by YAH So ? No You dont have the same books, they have Gebra Nagast for example, highly unlikely that you have same prayers as People in Ethiopia Again, traditions are very different, you have talmud, they dont Ethiopians dont speak yiddish Ethiopians dont have talmud, thats your tradition, not one that proves anything about Israelite heritage, the Torah does not mention Talmud, thats your own tradition, man made. of course Israel has always been around, its also prophecy that they would lost their identity, doesnt mean they vanished into thin air The Edomites converted and so did Khazars. Could have been Israelite priests who converted them it doesnt really matter. Anybody who studies Torah can self designate themself a priest and convert ppl, thats how cults begin. ikeep in daily contact, they said Esau is ashamed about selling his birthrights and now wants it back
Wrong. When the Persian concord Israel in the 5th century BC, they called the area YAHAD or YEHUD, not Judea. Judea is a later term in Latin, this is how the Roman pronounced it. You can see the coins they left behind them to prove this, written in ancient Hebrew letters YHD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehud_coinage Anyway, Jews don't call themselves Jews. They call themselves Yehudi, which is the same as the land name and is the name as what you refer to, the Latin pronunciation Judea, and the same as the way Arab call them Yahud. The fact that some English man failed to call them the same name they call themselves and misspelled it to 'Jew' does not change anything. Just like, the fact the English falied to call the capital of China Beijing and called it instead Peking, does not mean these days Beijing does not exist, or that it has nothing to do with ancient Beijing because you know it as Peking.
No that's not what I said, I said 10 tribes were lost and assimilated to other nations, one survived and keeps the tradition till this day, not forsaken by God as you clearly see - we get by very well thank you. So it already started to happen, God brings his children back home, against odds - we have a nice little country now. The "Kebra Nagast" is the book of Etheopean Christians not Jews, Jews follow the 5 books that makes the TORAH and cellebrate the same Bible holydays as European Jews, they keep the same dietary laws as Europeans - as written in the book of Deuteronomy, they keep "Nida" same as Europeans, they pray as written in the Torah just like Europeans. The fact they didnt know of Hanuka or the Talmud means they migrated there before the destruction of the 2nd Temple, that's actually consists with the "Gebra Nagast " that says they migrated during the First Temple during King Solomon. Ofc Etheopean Jews and European Jews dont speak the same language, but its remakable that afterr all that time they did share some words, relics of ancient time when both did speak the same language, such as the holyday names, the Hebrew calander month names, same costums names and paryers. fyi, the Talmud does not "overun" the Torah, its a debate book that ppl MAY (dont have to) consult with to better understand the Torah. You are fixed on your hatred to European Jews but its the same to ME Jews and far East Jews, they all share the basics and its nothing short of AMAZING regarding the time and what they went throu, true sign of God's work. When someone loses his identity he loses everything he had that connected him to his past, Its also a prophecy they will return - and so we have.... The Edomites were converted during the 2nd Temple era by John Hyrcanus the king of Judea, Maccabees kingdom 2nd century BCE , at his era there were an estimated 500,000 Jews in Judea and another 500,000 Jews in Asia and Africa, the Edomites didnt reach even 5% of that number - so kindly explain how they overshadowed the "real" Jews to the point there were no "real" Jews to consider. Kazar theory was debunked by every serious researcher, only the Aristocracy converted not the entire ppl which converted to Islam when they got conqured, once again they couldnt have exceeded the "real" Jews to the point they disappeard. Your theory that Jews somehow died altogether or assimilated till one day some guy decided to read the Torah and call himself Jew then convert...what ? 20,000 nomads he found on the way ? just for the heck of it is.......crazy.
and the Bible NEVER states that all of Noah's sons were black or that the Israelites were all black. that's simply your racist & selfish interpretation.
Your 1st and 2nd paragraph contradict eachother. first you state they kept tradition, then you state its prophecy that you will return after your supposed "lost identity". Either you did or didnt, which is it? Persecution of Israel in Afrika and Asia led to this "lost identity" and rejection of the commandments. The Edomites became more powerful in Asia and Europe because this is there dominion. Esau is not associated with Afrika, more to do with western civilization, like rome. Inever stated Israel vanished. Israel fled to Afrika, predominantly unless they were taken captive by Assyria. Why would Israel flee into the arms of his enemy? In times of trouble, Israel always fled to Afrika, although Yah prohibited this its well documented that they did and as such the Gentiles were able to Conquer Israel/Egypt. The british think they are christians, OUR VERY OWN PRESIDENT says we are a christian nation even though there are about 1% practicing christians. Ive been told Iam christian, church of england which is nonsense. Its all propaganda. So if 1 leader of a nation calls himself christian, muslim, jewish then in turn he labels the nation as such, it happens today still and it happened in the past. The khazars is a good example is all. The people there would all have been labelled jewish by todays standards, thats alot of ppl, 20,000 even.
