Joe gets serious

Not being vaccinated poses no risk to the public. That is the new absurd fear porn narrative.

 

Repub governors are predictably stamping their feet and screaming "tyranny" at the prospect of the population of their state being made safer from the scourge of COVID.

 

Biden to vaccine mandate legal challengers: 'Have at it'

On Thursday, Biden announced a series of vaccine mandates that will affect over 100 million Americans: all federal employees and contractors, workers at companies with over 100 employees, federal workers who are employed at a health care provider receiving Medicare or Medicaid funding, and employees at schools receiving Head Start funding, among others.

Republican governors have already announced their intent to challenge these mandates, including Brian Kemp of Georgia and Kristi Noem of South Dakota. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose state has lifted virtually all pandemic mitigation measures, said in a press conference that he opposes "mandates of any kind."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/10/biden-vaccine-mandate-legal-challengers-511129

Speaking personally, I don't give a damn what DeSantis opposes. Politically motivated grandstanding has no place during a pandemic.

 

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I think vaccine are not treatments. If you have the disease and you take the vaccine you're still going to have covid if you take ivermectin when you already have the disease you might get over having covid. I further think that conflating vaccines and treatments is dangerous and stupid

 

Who said "the vaccine is a treatment? But the difference between places with a high rate of vaccinated and places where it's low is stark.

If Invermectin doesn't kill you, you won't have worms; hope you don't mind a good case of shits.

 

You will not be able to demonstrate such a demand. If I am wrong, you will be able show where people are forcing close contact with others. This is another example of hypocrisy. I thought ones right to bodily autonomy was worth protecting?

 

Talk about falsehoods and fear mongering.

People OD themselves with all sorts of legal things, not even in the name of better health. Perhaps we need to eliminate alcohol, cough medicine, Tylenol, and a few other things, eh?

 

I completely agree - no one should be FORCED to get a vaccine. And they aren't.

 

Biden is sure taking a run at it.

Biden Mandates Vaccines for Workers, Saying, ‘Our Patience Is Wearing Thin’ - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

Ivermectin has been demonstrated to have anti viral properties

 

The determination of a free people is what makes the United States possible, without that, there is no America even if the virus were eradicated tommorrow

 

What he is doing is forcing people to make a choice - and their choices can have consequences.

And a quick stroll through google will demonstrate how much employers want their employees to be vaccinated - some even offering significant bonuses.

 

The makers of Invermectin have put out a letter that warns against Invermectin for humans.

 

Correct, as on now.

 

The SCOTUS will nix this.

 

That isn't forcing them to make a choice.

It would be interesting just how far Biden wants to try and push this. He may not like the lengthy lawsuits that would likely push this past COVIDs viral life. But hey, it will make some people think they have control, and that's all that matters.

 

It reduces the time period that choice can be made. Six weeks is too little.

 

Who is going to bring the lawsuits? The CEO of Business Roundtable wrote this:
"Business Roundtable welcomes the Biden Administration's continued vigilance in the fight against COVID. America's business leaders know how critical vaccination and testing are in defeating the pandemic, which is why so many have invested resources in encouraging and incentivizing their customers and employees to get vaccinated, including providing paid time off. Over the past several weeks many companies have decided to implement a vaccine mandate for some or all of their employees, a decision we applaud."

And neither the US Chamber of Commerce nor the NFIB published criticisms.

So, just what businesses are going to be suing Biden for looking out for their business and growth?

 

Any un-vaccinated person fighting against the implementation of COVID protocols is demanding they be allowed to express their "freedom" by unnecessarily putting people around them at an increased risk for contracting COVID. If you're un-vaccinated and self quarantine I have no problem with you. If you're out in public mingling with people that's another matter.

 

To bad they've been using it on humans for forty years ...

 

So you disagree with science?

 

Why Carefully Designed Public Vaccination Mandates Can—and Should—Withstand Constitutional Challenge

To what extent do individual rights limit government authority to mandate vaccination? Pre-pandemic precedents provide important—but incomplete—guidance to courts as they grapple with challenges to a rapidly rising wave of coronavirus vaccination mandates. The lower courts have consistently upheld vaccination mandates as a condition of school attendance and employment in certain sectors, but pre-coronavirus decisions relied heavily on Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905) and Employment Division v. Smith (1990), precedents that the new Supreme Court majority evidently disfavors and may be primed to limit—or even overturn. Moreover, some coronavirus vaccination laws differ in significant ways from the typical vaccination requirements previously upheld by courts. As we explain below, carefully crafted coronavirus vaccination laws, with appropriate exemptions and penalties, are likely to survive constitutional challenges, but government lawyers and lower court judges would be wise to develop their reasoning in support of mandatory vaccination more fully, rather than relying on throwaway citations to Jacobson or Smith.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/Designed-Public-Vaccination-Mandates

I would expect the admin has run the mandates by the DoJ for their opinion and as such will have its full throated support once the lawsuits from Repub governors begin...........soon.

 

I sincerely apologize for this but I'm just not going to go another round on the science and what it says. It's exhausting. The mandates Biden has introduced by way of EO's makes the public safer and will speed the economic recovery if adhered to. Full stop.

 

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

 

I respect your opinion as I respect all opinions up to the point of it being forced on me. This egregious abuse of power under the guise of public safety will not stand up. Those of us that are capable of thought don't need the government to tell us how to avoid a virus. I do not blame you for running from the actual data.