Joe gets serious

When the government intrudes on private business, the outcome is never for the benefit of the individual business. It is for the benefit of the government, and or the tax man, but I might be redundant.

The Federal government was created by the people, not to be the overlord as the government attempts to portray itself. This is a case in point. The Federal government is attempting to force private employers to shun a portion of the population to force them to comply with the injection of a foreign substance. It doesn't exist for the flu or any other virus, no private employer requires that you show proof of any other vaccination, with the possible exception of healthcare workers because of the nature of the job.

There is no precedence for such an EO - and that would be the only means for him to attempt this. I don't wonder why - because it wouldn't make it through Congress, a number of his own parties people wouldn't vote for it. And the lawsuits don't have to come from the organizations you listed. To think businesses, or even States are under those entities control is a bizarre thought process.

 

Doesn't contradict what I've set and given they've also got part of the currently approved curative which costs a damn sight more and off which they're getting rich neither you nor I have reason to trust them.

 

Did that involve pressure the smoker to inject themselves with something? I forget...

 

In Texas, yes and no, many poor woman do not have the means to travel, and for all intents and purposes, 6 weeks is a borderline ban, because most women cannot feel or sense that they are pregnant at 6 weeks.

The law is unconstitutional on two fronts. Per R v W because R v W makes it legal for 20 ( or so ) weeks,

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-i-am-pro-choice-and-pro-life.591836/

and the state cannot delegate to citizens what is the responsibility of the government ( where the law grants anyone the right to sue because of violating the TX law ).

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-texas-abortion-law.591936/#post-1072926060

 

I'll expect you to not accept any help from the Government, for any reason, from here on.

Even Ayn Rand, towards the end of her life, accepted welfare.

 

No, it is giving them a choice.

Force would be to make refusal of any choice illegal.

 

That, folks, is a text book example of the strawman argument.

 

I don't want a damn thing from the government, ever, except I'd like for President Potato Brain and his Democrat lackeys to quit screwing up so bad that it is affecting my retirement plan. You probably don't understand inflation or time value of the dollar but he's made me have to plan for an extra million....in just his last 6 months of screwing up...for retirement. Hell I'm down about $300K over the last month!

Thanks Joe

I'm not too concerned about Ayn Rand. Don't care if she took welfare or not. She was a Russian Jew so who knows.

 

It’s still forcing people to choose from options force on them

 

Spoken like the true anti constitutionalist he is.
And again, he will lose.

 

Your coveted vaccine is great for people that never had Covid. People who already had Covid have better immunity than the vaccinated.
Just like its been since the beginning of time and no amount of your science proves otherwise.

There is no need to vaccinate those who already had Covid and forcing them to do so because you don't know any better doesn't make it justifiable. Its just dumb.

 

Nope.

 

wrong

 

You do know that a nation the size of America cannot exist without a government, right?

Inflation is caused by too many dollars chasing too few goods and services, the ultimate result of a government spending more than it makes. Both parties take credit for that one. Hell, Trump gave a 1.9 trillion tax cut and then signed a 2 trillion stimulus, with no way to pay for it, no wonder we had so much inflation this year.

The best way to stay ahead of inflation is to hedge in some effective way.

 

No, 'force' means 'illegal if you don't do it'.

Force means they come after you if you don't it.

No one is coming after you if you don't do it.

 

You seem to be under the impression ‘force’ only means it has to be ‘illegal’ if one doesn’t comply. That is incorrect. If my company makes it mandatory to get a vaccine or I lose my job then they are forcing me to get the vaccine or forcing me to get another job.

 

And to be accurate, the proposal calls for vaccination or testing. Nobody has to take the shot, but they do have to prove they're not infected. Anyone unwilling to satisfy either of these requests isn't suited for work around people. Probably not suited for work period.

 

My sole issue is I just don’t like govt getting into the business of forcing people to do things.

 

With our private lives, I agree, but public health and safety is the government's job.

I was just pointing out that testing is another option to vaccination. No one is being forced to vaccinate to keep their job. I can't imagine why anyone would object to testing. We test pilots for alcohol before every flight, yet I've never heard anyone complain about pilots' rights being violated.

 

They will be forced to get vaccinated or tested weekly. That is being forced. Again, it’s about our govt forcing us to do something. Same reason I am pro-choice. I don’t believe our govt should force things on us. And for the record I never said anything about rights being violated.

 

I wasn't referring to you. There are those that complain, though.

Everybody forces everybody else to do all kinds of things all day long. That's life. The government's job is to force things in the interest of public safety. Speed limits, stop lights, uncontaminated food, clean water, all accomplished by force. A weekly test during a pandemic seems like child's play compared to how I'm forced to drive.

 

And I’d like the govt to not force even more thing on us. This is going nowhere so let’s just agree to disagree and move on. I have a nice cup of coffee waiting for me. Cheers.

 

Sure, enjoy your coffee. Time for me to make a pot.

I just don't understand why people (not you) object to any attempt to get the pandemic under control, using the argument of "force," when we're forced to do all kinds of things all the time, yet no one complains about the authoritarian traffic laws nor anything else we're forced to do daily.

Seems disingenuous to me. Smells political.

 

No. It involved the government mandating that a certain behavior will not be allowed in order to protect the health of the public.

 

Does anyone doubt we would not be seeing the pro-COVID reaction of Repubs nationwide if it was the Orange Messiah issuing these mandates?