Jon Bonet Ramsey case - any opinions?

I think it's great for a kid to be born w/a certain ambition, even racing, but I don't believe a little girl is 'born' to be a kiddie beauty pageant contestant when they're only 5, 6 yrs old. That is something her parent(s) decide they want her to do......and anyone w/eyes can see these pageants sexualizes these little girls....

 

Autopsies always identify food items in the stomach and this was brought up and there was a bowl of pineapple on the table and no where did I say that meant Burke was the killer b/c of that.....

The forensic pathologist had a replica of JB's skull that showed the fatal injury done to it. There was the flashlight on the table that was tested for DNA. The flashlight had no fingerprints on it and whatsmore, neither did the 3 batteries inside it. They had also been wiped clean.

The forensic pathologist showed where the edge of the flashlight was a match that had caused the blow to the girl's head. Some people want to say 'Oh, a 9 yr old boy couldn't possibly have the strength to cause a fatal blow to a 6 yr old." Well, they demonstrated w/a 10 yr old boy of Burke's height/weight at that time and he showed it could be done. The pathologist showed the same damage that was done to JB.

I think it was Burke's lawyer who watched the investigation and said that he tho't 'it was disgusting that they would use a 10 yr old boy in their demonstration'.....where's the harm? They had a well-balanced kid who understood the situation and demonstrated how a kid can hit another child hard enuf to kill her....and do people really believe that kids that age can't kill another child, particularly someone smaller?

Watch the CBS special and give these 4 people credit for knowing their business.

And btw, it's been said many times when the murder happened, the cops were told to treat the Ramseys w/kid gloves, so they did.....and here we are today......

 

Well, I give up. You're again comparing your daughter's racing, where obviously, she needed to be of age to race a car to a 6 yr old girl planted in a kiddie pageant by her parents to strut her stuff....

Crazy.............

 

Look, I apologize that I NEVER put my daughter on a stage to show off her costumes, her skills to dance, etc. I simply told you that as a child, where parents went nuts if their kid so much as lost a race, I saw parents working their kids over. It was shameful.

But if the parent and child are in sync, who am I to tell them what to do?

You never told me why it is our business what parents do with kids.

 

I and the cops can't connect pineapple and a flashlight that is wiped clean, to the boy.

If I am on the jury, so far, not a sale.

I admit it has been years since I last looked at the autopsy report and did not know or forgot if her head got hit. That makes sense too.

 

Listen up, I had two very pretty girls. I never put any of them in some beauty contest.

That is not something either of my past wives wanted for the girls either.

If you never had a child engaged in competition, it is far more difficult to figure out. I mentioned my kids racing since she competed and won trophies. These kids come up with the darnedest ideas.

Frankly, i was in a fresh divorce. And did not want anybody to think my kid was deprived. I was very mindful she could get hurt. She did have very good equipment to help keep her from injury.

But if kids get the smell of victory, it's hard to detune them.

I saw parents at the tracks who truly lived through their kids. Maybe Patsy Ramsey was reliving something.

My belief is parents ought not to toss in the kids to do things they had not done as kids.

 

There are such things as prodigies in the arts, and this includes acting. Many of the highest paid actors and actresses in the world achieved their greatest successes before they were even adolescents. These kinds of pageants test mainly for acting ability and they are a well-known and much used path to success in that field (though certainly not the only one, or even the most effective) for both children and adults.

I think this poor little girl quite innocently was excited at her ability to win beauty pageants and I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that. Where I seem to be getting conflict here is when I say I think the parents had about the same motivation. They were pleased with their daughter's success and they had every right to be, there seems little evidence they were pushing her, exploiting her or living vicariously, they were simply proud parents nothing more or less.

What I see some people doing here is once again blaming the victim, though in this case the victims include two grieving parents as well.

 

Attorney Lin Wood was just on the Mike Gallagher Radio show.
He said that he did recommend Burke go on the telecast which was
originally scheduled as a 3-part 6 hr. docuseries.It became a 2-part { 4 hr. }
presentation. Wood felt that since he knew ahead of time that CBS was going to
air the Series,he felt it best to give Burke Ramsey a chance to give his side of the
murder mystery.Wood also stated on Gallagher's radio show it was a DNA case.
That all members of the Ramsey Family were cleared of the DNA match from
the DNA discovered on the clothing { panties } of Jon Benet.
Wood also stated that the Post { New York Post } pulled a stunt back I believe
in 1999 featuring an article how The Brother did it.I think I heard Wood say he
sued the Post over that article.Or was set to sue.
One has to keep in mind that the Lawyer profession is not what it once was.
More shady shyster lawyers today than ever before.More Ambulance chasers.
More little pesky Personality lawyers like Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace.

 

God I HATE those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es. 200 years ago they'd be the women knitting below the guillotines

 

Lisa Blunt { Allred's daughter is possibly worse }. She caved and started complaining
Like virtually every one at MSNBC before and after the George Zimmerman verdict.
She was hired as a legal analyst for MSNBC during the week of the Zimmerman
verdict.She acted like some hack shyster toadie.Know it or not she did herself a grave
disservice.She humiliated herself with one sided bias against George Zimmerman.

BTW Wood said 2-part ,2 hour series instead of 2-part,4 hr.series.
Plus that in 1999,200 he was successful with his Libeal suit against
The N.Y.Post in running a story asserting - The Brother did it -.
Attorney Lin Wood also said the DNA found was that of a male.
That eventually it might turn up a match if the guilty party is caught in
another crime.

 

Can we clear up one thing here, for once and for all? The one and only area where I voiced criticism about parents are the parents who put their little girls in these kiddie pageants where these 6 yr old girls are trained to be sexual objects w/the parents permission, of course.

It doesn't matter whether it's our business or not. That's not the point. The point is it's happening and others are going to form their opinion about it and voice it. These 5 yr old girls are having their innocence slowly eroded by adults, including their parents and emphasis is only on their prettiness and shaking their little booty while performing.....

Competition is healthy in soccer, softball, gymnastics, whatever b/c it'll make the child practice more, but competition in kiddie pageants serves what purpose? So a little girl can tell the others "I'm the winner b/c I'm prettier than you"?

There's not one solitary thing about these pageants that's of value for these little girls psychological and social development.....and that's my opinion. Sorry if that offends anyone........

Now, back to who the killer is and most of us have our opinion about that after what this team of experts very methodically pieced together.

 

I do appreciate your point of view. But did you have kids that competed? That was my point. I have had a daughter that now has an adult son in college and the last in high school who competed. I resisted her. But it was her desire. I helped her be a winner because I cared for my kid. Her kids do it with brains. They are great students. I asked her once if her boys would race. She says, it was up to them.

I have not been near one of those beauty pageants. It strikes me though as something a lot of kids do not experience, that of parents close to their daughter who are willing as parents to play a role in their character building.

I felt my kid racing did build her character. She had to plan. She had to prepare. She had to give it her best shot. And for that, she traveled a bit to various races. She raced in CA, in NV and in TN. She qualified to race in an important race in TN and I was proud she did it by her own effort.

As to the death of Jon Benet, I did not see Dr. Phil. But it is a show. The real cops did not declare any of the Ramsey's guilty nor did the DA that was there for that job. I don't go by what Dr. Phil presents all the time.

But you seem satisfied and that is swell.

 

I raised 2 daughters myself and yeah, they're very pretty and they were never on a kiddie beauty pageant stage, but were involved in the healthy competition of sports and other activities, so they had the chance to grow up to be kind, likeable women.

Patsy Ramsey was a beauty pageant winner when she was an adult and most of these mothers like her want to re-live their glory days thru their daughters. One of the women interviewed by CBS was a friend of Jon Benet and talked about the girl's bedroom, full of beauty pageant stuff w/the many crows the girl won on display. She said JB told her the crowns 'really belonged to her mother'.....

I don't think there's anything wrong w/parents letting their kid try a sport or some activity that they, themselves, had never tried. Just so it's not an interest that would exploit the child and push him/her into a world that he/she isn't emotionally/psychologically prepared for...like a little girl who's trained how to look and act 'sexy'.......

Dr. Werner Spitz, part of the team investigating this case, is a forensic pathologist, expert on autopsies. He was involved in the JFK and MLK assassinations and many other high-profiled cases, so he's not exactly a 'newbie' to his decades long profession.....

20 yrs ago when JB was murdered, the Ramseys were asked if they'd allow him in their home to do what he does best - investigate a murder scene - and they flatly refused.

Wouldn't you ask yourself why the parents of a murdered child would refuse the help of an expert like Spitz?

Innocent people would never say 'NO' to someone of his expertise. What were they afraid he'd find? As I had said, I believe there's a very distinct difference b/t the behavior of the guilty and innocent and this is certainly one of them.....

I'm not saying one of the parents killed her, but they knew who did.

That CBS special was very interesting. You should watch it.. Amateurs like you and I would find it interesting as they very methodically started connecting the dots...........

 

i find it stunning that all the experts that worked the case did not find the Ramsey family guilty of the murder of their child.

I wonder if you read the Ramsey's account?

There was this rush to blame them from day one. I smelled a rat when that became the case. Despite them blaming Ramsey 6 ways to sunday, they never put them on trial.

I don't convict parents over their kid working pageants. Not my style.

It is tough to go by the Dr. Phil show since I did not see it.

 

It is absurd to declare how someone should act. That is a ploy prosecutors often use - and it is wrong.

They were wise to "lawyer up" and it likely due to the accusatory questions the police were asking. Nothing odd about asking neighbors to come over and at that point it was not known to be a crime scene. Little children do wander off, hide and manage to get outside somehow. The normal reaction would be a panic, then trying to remain calm to figure it out, and ask neighbors to involve.

How would she know it was "a crime scene" unless she had committed a crime?

The whole thing about this case has always been built around declaring how a person acts in a completely new, confusing and frightening situation. And that is nonsense. Moreover, virtually all that is police claims of how they declared each was acting with a perspective that it is almost always someone in the house and therefore trying to make them look bad.

What is missing? ANY evidence that any of them are guilty - as in zero. It is all let's-play-psychologist crap.

 

Well you do have a right to raise YOUR children however YOU want to. Some women become fabulously wealthy by marketing beauty and I do not share your view that being in modeling - as a child or adult - is evil like you do.

The most unusual person we know is a woman who from childhood was specifically trained (intensely) to some day be a trophy wife. A naturally beautiful girl and woman. But it is far more than just being beautiful. There are many beautiful women. Facial expressions. Body language. Attitude. Action and reaction. Sensuality. Dress. Makeup. She married in her late 20s to a man who had never married in his mid-30s - one of the wealthiest men in the USA both old and new money and in the world of the super wealthy on a national and global scale. Married with no pre-nup agreement. So she, too, is a billionaire.

They've been married now about 10 years, have two children. She loves her life and brags on him, as he brags on her. She will say she is employed - and that employment is to remain a trophy wife married to a trophy man and, of course, mother. In her words, she's not a particularly high IQ person and it is ludicrous for her to have instead been taught and want to be a low paid office worker or working in food services. As a trophy wife? She's one of the best in the world. As for what about when her good looks decline over the years, she will say that would happen if she has a crummy job and "low value" husband too - and point to Rachael Welch never stopped looking hot. Few things more affect a person's life than who the person marries and marrying a billionaire does have its good points, doesn't it? There are are at least 10, maybe 50, million women who would like her career and life.

Many, probably most, women wear makeup and try to make themselves look attractive. I suppose you also claim they are all evil too. Or is your view that it is ok they do so, as long as they do it in a mediocre manner? To declare beauty is irrelevant to women (or men) is a denial of reality. Beauty contests are training and developing expertise, part of the acting and entertainment industry.

 

That is very true, and I say this as a true fan of Father Brown, who eschews the 'thinking machine" style of the Great Holmes to pursue his criminal quarry on the basis of his keen knowledge of human nature. He never uses this exclusively, however, but only as guide for his even more brilliant powers of observation and deductive reasoning

 

YES! I had 3 kids who competed in sports & other activities, but the bottom line here is my kids, your kids have nothing to do w/the beauty pageant life that JB had been pushed into and yes! these little girls are pushed into it by their mother, sometimes also dads b/c they want the glitz and glory of their little girl being noticed by everyone b/c she's 'so beautiful' and hopefully, she's the crowned queen....

It's nothing but a world of vanity and shallowness and there's no 'character building' in that lifestyle.........

 

I don't think you want my view. I have yet to see you claim your kids were in such pageants. I don't pass judgement on other people's events like that. As to who killed Jon Benet, as the DA told the Ramseys, DNA cleared them.

 

Does anyone here know the official determination as what happened to
Jon Benet.Was it a break-in.? Was there money or personal property missing.
What was the gist of the Case.
A murder or botched Kidnapping. A botched robbery where a child
might have been used as a pawn for ransom.
I mean,like you have to go to the source first.
Bill Cosby did not go to his Female victims place of residence ready to date
with flowers and candy and a nice new sweater.
Let's Bee 4 real.

 

The grand jury voted to indict the Ramseys, but Alex Hunter, DA, decided not to. We know the grand jury sessions are private, but as time went on, nothing was happening, so it was assumed they voted not to indict - but a grand juror spoke up and said they had voted for indictment.

People here who are arguing in favor of the Ramseys should watch the CBS investigation and pay attention to what they uncovered. Those 4 people are not exactly the Keystone Kops. They know their business....

Friends of Ramseys and cops were interviewed on the CBS special, not Dr. Phil, if that was what your were inferring to. Phil interviewed only Burke, only to say later 'he was only 9 yrs old'...'that doesn't mean anything.

One of the detectives who had worked the case for quite awhile was interviewed and he was clearly disgusted w/how Alex Hunter handled everything about it. He said he had asked Hunter when he was going to indict the Ramseys and Hunter plainly told him 'it was a political issue'...... the cop said he resigned from the case after that w/disgust...

One of the Ramseys close friends said the Ramseys told all their friends they were not to talk to the cops and reporters. Now please explain - if no one in your family had done anything wrong, that it was someone else who committed the crime - WHY would you demand that friends not talk to reporters and cops? What the hell would be your reason for that? And your friends are adults - shouldn't that be up to them? Well, the friend said she did talk to the cops & reporters. The Ramseys found out and she was shunned by them & other friends. No one ever talked to her again......

My question is - what were the Ramseys scared about that friends might reveal about them if they were so innocent? If you were innocent about something that required an investigation, would you tell your friends not to talk to cops/reporters?

If you have nothing to hide, you're not scared about friends talking about your situation to reporters and cops. It's as simple as that....

But I'll tell you one thing that would scare the bejesus out of me. If I read the words in a ransom note saying not to call the cops or my daughter would be beheaded.....would I call them? NO. Would you? Patsy Ramsey did.........

 

They weren't visible to the naked eye, and could not be traced.

Alex Hunter should be in prison.

And she was wetting her bed regularly.

I've actually changed my mind. Years ago, I thought the parents did it, but I didn't follow it closely. More recently, I though the brother did it.

Now I think Patsy did it. She was exhausted from a busy Christmas day, then evening at the home of friends. She was preparing for a trip the next day that she really didn't want to take. I think JB wet her bed again, Patsy, still in the clothes she wore to the White house and in full makeup, snatched her up, very roughly wiped her (this and her riding her new Christmas bicycle is what caused the vaginal bruising; there was NO, let me repeat NO sign of sexual abuse), then when JB talked back, shoved her into the edge of the tub, toilet, or some hard object, and knocked her cold.

Thinking she was dead, she carried her to basement and staged the murder by kidnapper.

John made the snap decision to protect his wife. Lockheed-Martin wouldn't look kindly on a CEO whose wife killed her kid.

Lots of things made me reach this conclusion.

But let me repeat for those who insist on clinging to lies: There was NO sexual abuse.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/burke-ra...bs-over-outrageous-documentary-183648611.html

CBS will be sued in days over this TV charade.

I remind you, an indictment is not a verdict. All it does is create a path to taking a case to trial. The DA did not believe in the indictment.

Matter of fact, what was the indictment? Having their child in danger.

http://www.denverpost.com/2013/10/2...ed-parents-of-child-abuse-resulting-in-death/

What I have long noticed is how fast people try to take the Ramseys to the gallows and hang them, despite no trial of any sort.

Why don't you examine the knot used for the garrote.

I used to tie a lot of knots and do not know how that knot was tied.

I can't explain all the ramifications of the case, all the cloak and dagger stuff. For that reason I can't find the Ramseys guilty of anything. It is a horror they lost a daughter then get blamed for her death.

 

Again you bring up my kids and they have nothing to do w/this. Why would I claim my daughters were in such pedophile-attracted kiddie pageants when they never were?

When my youngest daughter was in her early 20's, she was asked by the company she worked for if she'd do a local tv commercial for their company and she did. Yeah, you betcha that was a fun time when I'd turn on the tv and there was my kid and her dazzling smile doing a commercial...well, so much for my family's fame.


As for the Ramseys - tell me something. When parents discover their little girl gone and a rambling ransom note is found, threatening to behead her if the cops are called, so the mother immediately calls the cops to report an intruder broke in and kidnapped their daughter and the cops are on their way.......why would the parents then turn around and call their friends and neighbors to come over....which would contaminate the crime scene, of course. Which everyone knows.

 

Oh, good grief.....Jake, wake up! Patsy told the 911 operator her daughter was missing, they found a ransom note and they needed the police, right? That's what she said! So that alone makes it a crime scene!

So what do they do? They invite their neighborhood over b/f the cops even got there!

The Ramseys are not stupid, uneducated people. Anyone w/a double digit IQ knows that people not involved w/the investigation needs to stay away b/c of contaminating the area.....I can't believe this.....