Jon Stewart demolish a 2A fanatic

It depends on the target. Some targets can withstand gunfire without being damaged.

Even with targets that are damaged, the point of target shooting is not to cause damage. It is to try to hit a challenging target better than your competitors hit it.

This word "necessary" is a nonsense word. It doesn't apply where free people are involved.

Americans do not justify their purchases of guns by demonstrating that they have a need for those guns.

The only justification that an American gives for buying a gun is that they felt like doing it.

The people who are required to justify themselves are gun controllers. Anyone who wishes to impose a restriction on gun ownership has to justify why their restriction is necessary.

 

I hate when people say this. My nephew contemplated suicide for 2 years before he took his life with a syringe (drug overdose). A cousin of mine spent decades contemplating suicide before he ended it with a rope. They both owned guns.

Suicide is NOT impulsive. Signs are there for long before someone tries to commit suicide. Throughout the whole time they are thinking of different ways to kill themselves. My daughter has anxiety and depression. I have her on medication. Know what the doctor told me when she first prescribed the pills? Keep the pills with me at all times. Do not let her be alone. The pills will give my daughter energy. That energy is often translated into a courage to do more things. That courage to do more things means she may actually act on her suicidal thoughts. I fully believe that the only reason my daughter is still alive today is because her love for me outweighs her suicidal tendencies.... at least for now. And I'm doing everything in my power to make sure it stays that way until she can find someone else around her age to love just as much and will love her just as much as I do. Because I know that if I die before then she is probably going to carry out that suicide.

 

Then why do you do it?

 

The reason why Americans buy guns is because we choose to do so.

That we choose to do so is the only justification that is required.

Free people don't have to explain themselves.

Serfs have to justify their choices and get the approval of their master.

Americans are not serfs.

 

Why do you guys justify buying guns?

 

Please cite a reference to prove that.

As for the rest of your statement, that's a very tired old argument that the right can't seem to stop using as an excuse. Of course it's a person pulling the trigger, but if people were subject to more comprehensive background checks, and limits placed on the types of weapons we can own, many lives could have been saved.

I get that you disagree, but you are in the minority on this, and you're quite wrong.

 

Good grief!

Let's start with this one. What weapons do you mean? If you mean knives, think about it: you can't mow down dozens of people with a knife. Or a handgun, or two effing handguns, for that matter. And if those handguns had mags that hold twelve rounds (like my own), it would be much easier to stop the shooter when he reloads than if he had an AR-15 with a thirty or forty round mag. Again, lives would be saved.

As for this one: who gets to decide when they're well again? And what makes you think that a suicidal person would freely give up their gun? How would you enforce such a system? Good effing luck.

So, instead of being specific, you default to a passive-aggressive position on the video. Sorry, but that's an epic fail on your part.

As for this one: I've never done that. Cite a reference to prove it, please.

In all, I'd say that although you are trying to find solutions, what you're considering are policies that simply will not work.

 

He's a comedian with a rather weak education in the subject matter

 

Well you’d be wrong, and that’s more likely when you rely upon anecdotes rather than studies. In this study, almost half of failed attempts were impulsive:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/

 

I don't care what that study says. Or any other. People with severe depression often have it for years. If you really think that they don't spend that time figuring out how to kill themselves then you're wrong. You would probably have a case if you were talking about opportunity. But impulsive? None.

 

You can do anything you want if you don't care about facts and have no problem being wrong.

 

it's pretty easy usually. The left hasn't come up with a new anti gun argument in decades. And they are all about feelings not facts.

 

The real question is: Why should we have to justify buying guns to YOU?

 

And though the number has varied drastically over time the homicide rate the suicide rate and the accidental death rate has not varied with it. Hence you don't even have correlation let alone causation.

 

Gibberish based on your bias is not a debate argument.

 

You shouldn't use words you don't understand like fire instance gibberish in the above post.

 

I understand every word I write, not just on this forum. I'm a retired technical writer.

For you:

gib·ber·ish. /ˈjib(ə)riSH/ noun

1. unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.
   "he talks gibberish"

Have a nice day

 

Then why do you?

 

We don't.

When someone asks us to justify our decisions, we tell them to go mind their own business.

 

Armed Robbery Rate (per 100,000 people)
1993: 30.0
1994: 28.3
1995: 29.1
1996: 34.2
1997: 48.9
1998: 58.0
1999: 49.9
2000: 49.5
2001: 57.9
2002: 39.9
2003: 36.1
2004: 30.0

Unarmed Robbery Rate (per 100,000 people)
1993: 42.3
1994: 50.0
1995: 51.5
1996: 55.3
1997: 66.1
1998: 69.2
1999: 69.5
2000: 72.3
2001: 79.1
2002: 66.9
2003: 62.9
2004: 52.1

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Auss...95A1FAACCA25747300125594/$File/45100_2007.pdf
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Auss...D4A060C2CA256D350002F50A/$File/45100_2002.pdf

That is incorrect. Gun control is not even about trying to save lives, and it certainly does not have that effect.

That is incorrect. Everything that I said is 100% correct.

 

Yes you can.

You can do that as well.

That is incorrect. It would not save a single life.

Saving lives is not even the point of gun control. Gun control is only about trying to violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

The person who voluntarily gave up their guns.

Because they might want to save their life.

Make it a mandatory 50 year prison sentence for any official who fails to return a person's guns in the same condition that they were in originally.

No failure. The entire video was goofy nonsense.

No one accused you of providing the deliberately misleading statistics. You were merely incorrect to deny that they are deliberately misleading.

Evidence that the bogus stats are including 19 year olds (and are excluding those under 1 year old) can be had merely by reading this headline:

"Gun-related violence is leading cause of death for children ages 1 to 19 in US: CDC"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/gun-related-violence-leading-cause-death-children-ages-98181342

Of course they will work.

 

Sorry, but they don't work.

 

Why won't letting suicidal people voluntarily and temporarily hand in their guns for safekeeping save their lives?

 

You guys keep saying that it won't work.

 

You are the only person who is saying that it will not work. I say it would save a lot of lives.