HB, Given your lack of any rebuttal, I intend to add this "nearly less of one million are squatters who came on the wake of the Jordanian Army" to your list of utterly unsupported 'proofs' that the Palestinians are immigrants.
Now that the typo has been corrected, I still maintain that the Jews were not represented in any of the 21 Arab countries. Current members (12)[edit source] Afu Agbaria Afu Agbaria.jpg Hadash 18, 19 Hamad Amar Hamed Amar.jpg Yisrael Beiteinu 18, 19 Druze Taleb Abu Arar United Arab List 19 Bedouin Mohammad Barakeh Mohammad Barakeh.jpg Hadash 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 Former Deputy Knesset speaker Masud Ghnaim United Arab List 18, 19 Sunni Muslim Basel Ghattas Balad 19 Christian Issawi Frej Meretz 19 Ibrahim Sarsur United Arab List 17, 18, 19 Hana Sweid Hisham Zreiq Honored by Ramiz Jaraisy.jpg Hadash 17, 18, 19 Christian Ahmad Tibi Ahmad Tibi.jpg Balad Ta'al United Arab List 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 Jamal Zahalka Jamal Zhalka2009.JPG Balad 16, 17, 18, 19 Haneen Zoabi Haneen Zoubi cropped.JPG
That shows you understand little about the situation there. Many Israeli Arabs vote for Israeli parties. If ALL fifth column Arabs will vote to Arab parties, they will have 20%. - - - Updated - - - Nothing to say ? Hummm ...
I deal with honest figures and I refrain from confronting anti Israeli rubbish. At times when I reads your proclamations... I have to tip toe through the tulips... You are a foreign element to my country, you probably never visited and yet you want to be anointed/crowned <king of the hill> sadly you are not even one of the subalterns. Your knowledge of my country is limited to the <defamatory> statements that you can glean from different sources.
Then how come your stunning inability to fit in the claimed 1 million immigrants into the population statistics for Palestine of the period which show no vestige of such a huge leap. I dare you to answer in a straightforward way, HBendor. Refute this post of mine: I provided full references and clear data. Now you show me your "honest facts". I dare you to try.
Erskine Childers and <clear data> are a contradiction and since you are his <disciple> you come to his level. Grant Jordanian citizenship and basic human rights to Jordan’s Palestinian majority and “refugees,” says Jordanian- http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/un...ould-welcome-palestinian-refugees/2013/08/29/ Palestinian pro-democracy activist Mudar Zahran. ~By: Rachel Avraham Published: August 29th, 2013 Opinion : Jordan Should Welcome Palestinian Refugees Speaking at the Two States for Two Peoples on Two Sides of the Jordan Conference, Mudar Zahran, a Jordanian-Palestinian pro-democracy activist, proclaimed, “When we talk about the situation, we must go back to the Ottoman occupation.” He explained that the Faisal-Wiesel Agreement of 1919 designated 77 percent of historic Palestine to the Arabs, and that the remainder was to become a Jewish state. He explained that by depriving Palestinians of their basic citizenship rights in Jordan, the current Hashemite Kingdom is denying the nation’s very raison d’être, which is to be a state that respects the democratic rights of all its citizens, including the country’s Palestinian majority. “There was an agreement with the Hashemite to make Jordan the homeland of the Arabs. The Hashemites didn't keep the promise,” Zahran proclaimed. “After 46 years, we are refugees.” Zahran said that most of the Palestinians living in Judea and Samaria have Jordanian passports, yet are prevented from exercising citizenship rights in Jordan. He noted that it is very difficult for Palestinians living in Jordan to do basic things, such as register the births of their children and get a driver’s license, explaining, “Hamas members have more rights in Israel than I have in my country.” Zahran stated that if Jordan respects the human rights of its Palestinian citizens and offers Palestinians living across the world Jordanian citizenship, the Palestinian refugee crisis could be solved and a two-state solution that doesn’t jeopardize Israeli security could come into fruition. Israel could hold onto all of the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria as well as Jerusalem, while stateless Palestinians across the globe could make their home in Jordan. He views the Arab Spring as a catalyst for genuine peace between Israel and the Arab world. Zahran stated that the Palestinian community in Jordan isn’t extreme and should they succeed in their revolution, they want to focus their emphasis not on building a strong army to destroy Israel, but on eradicating poverty. “We realize that we tried to destroy Israel twice and failed both times,” he said. Zahran doesn’t believe the prospects for peace will be good if Israel continues to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, which will “only bring about more violence.” Zahran asserted that the Palestinian Authority is unstable and that once the elderly PA leader Mahmoud Abbas steps down he will have no replacement. Zahran expressed that Israel should be looking for alternative solutions to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and claimed that Jordan’s Hashemite dynasty is rapidly declining, with the Jordanian king himself predicting his own fall from power within the year. Without the Hashemite dynasty as a “buffer zone” between Israel and the pro-Iranian axis, Israel will clearly need a plan b. Zahran stated that the Muslim Brotherhood is not popular in Jordan but has excellent media access and financial support. Zahran emphasized that it will be very difficult for the popular secular community in Jordan to win democratic elections without support from “all of those who care about peace in the Middle East.” If secular factions are succesful, Zahran envisions a Jordanian state for all its citizens that will solve the Palestinian refugee crisis and seek peace with Israel. Currently, Zahran is more concerned that without the West’s support for secular freedom and democracy, Jordan will become “Hamas-stine” rather than Palestine. Furthermore, Zahran added that he could not help but admire the freedom and technological advancement in Israel, stating that someday he hoped his country would become like Israel. To learn more, please watch! ~Mudar Zahran VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHMCGZ_w64&feature=player_embedded
You, who have just claimed that you deal with "honest figures" offer THAT gross strawman in response to my challenge to fit 1 million immigrants into the Palestinian data!!?? I rest my case regarding "honesty" and regarding "FACTS". The readers can decide. Regarding your strawman .... find a proper place or create a thread dedicated to the concept (which has nothing to do with Palestinian population figures) and I will happily respond. Seriously, HB, how about starting a thread called "Why Jordan should welcome Palestinian refugees"?
Erskine Childers advised everyone to CHECK Zionist claims as to "the truth". Your response had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my quote that you started with. Do you know what that means, HB? It is called a STRAWMAN. And that was a huge one. You have failed SPECTACULARLY to show even the most minimal support for your claim of "1 million immigrants". The Palestinians are therefore not immigrants. They are blood brothrs of the Jews.
When a Palestinian - Jordanian Mudar Zahran a well known activist internationally demonstrated that the Arab of Judea and Samaria are all holders of Jordanian Passports means only one thing to the intelligent and historically well rounded readers, you on the other hand call that a strawman... my friend you are a walking talking strawman... Go read some more and do not mix your shrinking political knowledge with my country Israel... Your half baked knowledge of the events of Israel history is a <fait accompli> and once again you can go howl to the moon.
Ok, this is an open forum so let's see you refute, point by point, anything which you consider "defamatory". The irony, Bendor, is that you have been caught lying more than once-not simply as regards the 'facts' you produce regarding Israel, but about forum members and what they say. Don't deny it because I'll be more than happy to produce those lies for the forum to digest. In your case I would be very careful with your use of the word 'honest'. It could just blow back in your face... I would also suggest that you quit with the Polish flaming, because I see another ban in your future.
10 things to know about Judea and Samaria. VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4f3wXwyZg&feature=youtu.be
Dear Pollack, Allow me to assist you: HBendor: 1) Here you misquoted a Professor on order to make a point - http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/103562-jordan-palestine-2.html#post1927072 (yes, I know the link is broken due to forum spring cleaning) 2) Here you inserted a sentence from the UN Charter and pretended it was from the Mandate for Palestine - http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/17851-who-really-has-apartheid-32.html#post3033195 3) Here you claimed that UN General Assembly 181 did not annual the Mandate, and that it was still valid today: - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...lis-said-yes-few-questions-5.html#post2604709 4) Here you claimed that 1 million sqautters had entered Palestine in 1947/48 - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...lis-said-yes-few-questions-5.html#post2604709 5) Here you claimed that you never wrote that the Palestinians were immigrants - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...eally-want-peace-israel-8.html#post1062194163 6) Here you claimed that in 1917/1918 there were only 5000 Arabs in Palestine after having been repeatedly shown that the 1893 Ottoman census clearly showed numbers even then approaching 500 000 - http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-36.html#post1061800708 7) Here you inserted 2006 data trying to make a point about Lebanon 2002 - http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...runner-show-comes-town-16.html#post1061784589 8 ) Here you misquoted the Survey for Palestine to try to make out that the seasonal immigrants from Syria into Palestine were permanent, after having been corrected on two previous occasions - http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...coward-when-comes-israel-112.html#post2783561 9) Recently again you made a claim that 1 million squatters had immigrated into Palestine in 1947/48, after you had been previously shown that this was fully contradicted by Palestinian population data trends 10) Here you claimed that the Ashkenazim DNA was quite so hydridised because Jewish girls had been raped, after having previously been shown that male genes cannot alter mitochondrial DNA patterns - http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/261578-israels-capital-not-jerusalem-5.html#post1061691910 And all of this was done to shore up the crumbling MYTHS
An Arab Palestine is a fallacy – it is based on lies and misconceptions. There has never, in the history of the world, been a nation of Palestine. Is this just a radical pro-Israel viewpoint or is it a universal truth that can be proven in many ways? Okay, so where is this proof? The most important proofs for this are historic maps of Palestine, and quotes from so-called “Palestinian” leaders over the years, showing that Palestine, as a distinct identity, never existed – EVER! There were times of Muslim rule over Palestine at several points in history, but Palestine was always part of a larger entity and it’s inhabitants never had anything that distinguished them from others in the vicinity – they had the same language, names, monetary system, government, culture and artifacts of those in neighbouring areas.
In 1978, the U.S. State Department published a memorandum of conversation between Mr. Stuart W. Rockwell of the Office of African and Near Eastern Affairs and Abdel Monem Rifai, a Counselor of the Jordan Legation on 5 June 1950. Mr. Rifai asked when the United States was going to recognize the union of Arab Palestine and Jordan. Mr. Rockwell explained the Department's position, stating that it was not the custom of the United States to issue formal statements of recognition every time a foreign country changed its territorial area. The union of Arab Palestine and Jordan had been brought about as a result of the will of the people and the US accepted the fact that Jordanian sovereignty had been extended to the new area. Mr. Rifai said he had not realized this and that he was very pleased to learn that the US did in fact recognize the union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan#Independence_and_establishment_of_Hashemite_kingdom
U.S support Al-queda, Saudi and the zionists ... Why should we trust them ? I mean that's what pro Islamists often write here ... When it fits you write , you seek their recognization ?????
MGB ROADSTER, et al, I'm not sure what this means! (QUESTION) The US doesn't support al-Qaeda. The US has various allied agreements with Saudi Arabia, and much of the Arab world. (Nothing unique!) The US really doesn't have a policy at all on Zionism. The US has demonstrated a commitment to Israel’s security. The US continues to pursue a close set of defense, diplomatic, and economic cooperation arrangements. And, relative to "Zionism," the US supports a Jewish National Home in the territory defined as the Land of Israel. What are you saying? (The idea you intended to communicate?) Most Respectfully, R
My friend, Sorry for my Sarcasm.. All i wrote was 100% cynicism.. I believe others who know my views, understood me..
Having been to this area of the world multiple times I can tell you the people there on all sides are one SERIOUS PAIN IN THE ASS!!! I can also tell you this with 100% certainty....if the United States ever again suffers a Terrorist Attack like what happened on 9/11/01.....this problem will be resolved in the Middle East once and for all. And there will only be ONE meeting prior to all out U.S. Military activity in the region with all the Heads of State from the region. And that meeting will consist of one sentence being spoken to all Middle Eastern Heads of State.....that being....You will either surrender or be destroyed. I have seen contingency plans specific to this. AboveAlpha
