Kim Jong Un warns that North Korea is running out of food

sure OK buddy ...

 

Considering our past actions, the only one that other nations need protection from is the US. But look, saying we're there to protect certain nations is a good cover up and excuse for our own aggressive actions.

We never question what we're told
and run along so proud and bold
without a turn so we can't see
the lies of what they're telling me.

For should we dare to doubt their word
we'd lose the comfort of our herd - Jeannette​

 

Uh... you dragged in the history. The current and previous government that have been running the country for decades have not started any war.
You can't say the same of the US.

 

Dude... farming is farming and not rocket science. You can toss in all the science you want out of it, going for that breakthrough. In general out of the question that it's a realistic thing that a 3rd world nation is going to end up with this marvel of genetic manipulation that would triple the production of food and would solve it's own food shortages.

When the world imposed a sanction on selling rather normal goods like a chair or a t-shirt for average people to make a living, like average people are able to make a living ALL over south / south-east Asia, than the world has shaped the problem for those people for not making the money to buy food.

 

No need for cover, we're the good guys.

Ok. So? Nukes are the cause of the sanctions. They were eased and NK went back to their progressive research and now they have them. The current edition of the sanctions is to force them to abandon their nukes and destroy their stockpile. Not very realistic perhaps but that's life for you.

 

LOL. You know nothing of farming or rocket science. How can you compare the two? North Koreans are starving because their leaders are too stupid/too narcissistic to manufacture fertilizer. They tell their people human feces is the best fertilizer and kill more people by introducing massive loads of internal parasites. This is a fact regardless of your feelings.

 

Well he used to have a nuclear test about this time every year and in the fall to extort food/fuel. I guess he is running out of radioactive materials too.

 

Uh.... manure is actually injected into the soil in a lot of western countries, as a fertilizer.

And it's due to the ban on importing goods that they can't make a chemical fertilizer anymore.
https://www.dailynk.com/english/north-korea-largest-fertilizer-plant-no-longer-operational/

And due to the ban on so many regular goods like timber, and textile, the country is not able to sell goods to import what they need.
That doesn't only include food, but also chemical fertilizer.

 

I think he does missile tests now.

 

Yeah. So? The sanctions are causing a famine. And collective punishment of a population is a big no.
I didn't make the rules.

 

That's why you're unhappy with them

 

There is something evil about a policy to deliberately cause a famine for millions of people.
I thought we all agreed on such a modern norm.

 

Please don’t confuse North Korean use of “night soil” untreated human waste with the use of class a and b biosolids (treated) waste in other countries. Class a and b biosolids can only be used in specific circumstances with strict post application harvest intervals.

Do you know what it takes to make nitrogen fertilizer? Air and energy. North Korea has air like everyone else. If they wanted to they could have energy as well. But they would rather build rockets and nukes than drill oil wells or build wind powered electric generation.

North Korea is out of excuses. They have chosen to build nukes instead of infrastructure to feed their people. Choices have consequences.

 

Obviously you got it wrong.

 

I'm just putting up that using manure as a fertilizer isn't a weird thing at all, where you mocked them doing that as if chemicals is the only way.

Uh.. you need natural gas, air and energy to make that fertilizer. And they can't import natural gas. And the UNSC chose to ban the import of energy and natural gas, while it has no real goal to ever stop a nation to build a nuclear bomb.... other than put up hardships on the general population. So the UNSC is responsible for making that call and the consequences, since collective punishment is illegal.

 

The price you pay for the games you play. Have to ask yourself "is it worth it?"

 

It’s not weird, it’s stupid to fertilize food crops with raw sewage.

Chemical is the worst way. North Korea also has the option of using crop rotation and nitrogen fixing crops as well—just as we all do.

It’s a common misconception you need natural gas. You don’t, you just need the hydrogen and natural gas is the easiest/cheapest source in most cases. To be completely accurate I should have said water was necessary as well as air and energy because water is the best source of hydrogen after natural gas. But H2O is present as vapor in air so my previous claim is technically correct—air and energy.

Not being able to import natural gas is not relevant. If they had developed energy resources in the 1980’s instead of buying under the cost of production from China and Russia they would be oil and gas exporters today. But they chose nukes and rockets. Choices have consequences.

 

What would be the fallout of a North Korean collapse:

 

when USA dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, they could not exactly know what would be the effects.
After couple days it was known what were the effects.
Yet some more days after they dropped another one on Nagasaki. Not military target, just yet another city packed with civilians.
It tells everything.

North Korea should have been left alone, do trade, live its life and that's it. Trade blockade has not done nothing against Cuba after so many years. Tentative of regime change in Venezuela is stuck, still US keeps stubbornly inflicting blocus.

USA has never suffered war on its ground from another country. Cities have never been bombed and destroyed, yet there they go around barking like enraged dogs and bring death left and right. Somehow Madeleine Alright and Hillary Clinton are worse than nazis. C'est la vie!

 

We should flood them with food. It will make maintaining the big lie of communism just a little more difficult for Kim. These systems end when the big lie is exposed to the people.

 

That is the question for the UNSC, with the US at the helm... is it worth it to collective punish millions of people into severe famine who get to have no say in this at all?

 

Asked and answered, obviously yes.

 

This is all rather off topic. But for the luls. The allied agreed that -I think it was 2 months- after the end of the war in Europe that the USSR would enter the war against Japan. The USSR committed on the exact day of that agreement. The USSR blasted through Japanese occupied China / Korea and captured the entire Japanese army like no army has done before. It took them just 2 or 3 weeks to capture that +1 million army strong Japanese army,... and ENTERED JAPAN!!! The USSR Atlantic fleet, with zero dents in it, was sailing to Japan to meet up with the army to push on through... and than Japan just happen to capitulate unconditionally to ONLY the US. Russia has never given back the parts of Japan, when Japan surrendered to the US.

And what did the US do? The US bombed Japan extensively. It was a genocidal thing with them firebombing city after city. The US even build a Japanese town in the US to see what the most efficient way is to firebomb civilians. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't the first 2 cities that got destroyed. It was more like city 79 and 80 who got destroyed.

You tell me what the difference is between seeing the 65th city being burned to the ground and the 78th in the eyes of the Japanese? Obviously they didn't care. They only thing that changed with the 79th and 80th is the methode, but the result remains the same. It's a pure American perspective to claim they won the war because of using nuclear bombs, because Japan surrendered to them. It goes with absolute zero recognition of the USSR army being ON japan and their navy having no dents in it.... who showed they were able to blast through 100's of miles a week of territory as if there was no Japanese army there standing it it's way.

And one thing can be sure of. If Japan did not surrender to the US, it would have meant the Russians would have ran over Japan like they did in China. So it's obvious why Japan called it quits.

And for the luls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands

True. All it caused is the suffering of the population. While it showed zero political consequences in Cuba and so far none in Venezuela.
Venezuela is an odd one. You can say people are oppressed by the current left regime. Than again, lots of right wing parties refuse to take part in the elections, because they claim to be oppressed / elections are rigged. But it ends up that Venezuela is rather open about the poor amount of people showing up and that the government frequently ends up far below a 2/3 majority to be able to make massive changes. It's not "exactly" like your typical rigged elections of having +80% of the votes. While right wing parties made a previous utter mess of it, pushing 50% of the population under the poverty line. Hence they placed their bets on an other horse. It's totally logical they did that, and LOADS of people have zero confidence in them parties.... as if they aint corrupt or something and will swing it all around.

 

Wouldn't work. Un would sell it and use the money to buy Hennesy. He is one of those particularly despicable tyrants who have no qualms whatsoever about living in decadent luxury while his people starve.

 

Out of the perspective that their yellow lives do not matter. Oh indeed. I'm calling it.

It's just like the oil-for-food-program for Iraq that caused 500,000 children to die, where the US called that "worth it".

It was a genocidal policy to than, with no reasonable true argument, blow up that 3rd world country and cause ISIS to spawn. (Since the US was the occupying power, and so responsible for the safety of that population / and so responsible for failing to stop ISIS from spawning. I'm not so much interested in nationalistic tears that the US somehow should be except from international law and so aint responsible)