Kim Jong Un warns that North Korea is running out of food

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Communism isn't causing the famine. The blockade is. They can't produce any fertilizer since they can't import the goods needed to make them. And the people can't sell items on the international stage to buy the food they need as well. All them countries in that area where labor is cheap as dirt are riddles with companies making clothing, to simple electronic devices. It's all forbidden for a North Korean due to the ban.

    The only thing it shows is the US is able to cause a famine.
    We already know the US is able to do this. They are causing the same in Yemen.
     
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    It's easy for Kim to end it.
     
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    It's easy for the UNSC with the US at the helm to end using millions and millions of people as 2nd class humans whose life do not matter in their eyes.
     
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    And we will just as soon as he complies with required policy changes.
     
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    And this is concluded by what? It seems you're not aware that this isn't the first famine in North Korea.

    The previous time the world accepted the guilt and gave the food the people needed to nullify the collective punishment inflicted.
    True story.
     
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    And Kim continued to develop and produce nukes. True story.
     
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    Glad you understand that it has no impact for Kim and his nuclear ambition, while the world acknowledges their guild on inflicting collective punishment.
     
  8. Buri

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    Well, you can always take up a collection of white guilt money and solve the problem. When are you getting started?
     
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    Seems you can't separate a horrific humanitarian need from politics as usual...makes you no better than Kim.

    This should be a discussion not about Kim or NK politics, etc. but how to assist PEOPLE in getting nutrition. In what ways can the US, and OTHERS, provide assistance? What will Kim allow?

    Think of the PEOPLE first and politics last...
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The Orange One has what seems a desire to do a gay marriage with Kim. I never heard him go on half that much about Melanie, er... Melania
     
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    You know, the beautiful model he cheated on with a woman whose picture was in the encyclopedia under "Blowsy Whore"

    I hope Kim wasn't that jealous of both of them. He might have his agents wash their faces with poison at an airport or even go whole hog and kidnap them to be torn apart by dogs.
     
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    He doesn't have anything to sell them anyway. Korea has barely enough food for its own and certainly no manufactured goods.
     
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    I'd have to do some digging to see if they have anything anyone wants to buy and I'm too lazy. I made the point I intended to - that the poster in question was dealing in prejudices rather than facts. North Korea's problem is the Kim dynasty. It only gets fixed when they change or cease to exist.
     
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    I do but I put American people first. Sorry.
     
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    Too bad you don't understand humanitarian assistance...it's not about who is 1st of 2nd...
     
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    it's HIS country, he's the one who decides what happens. if he makes bad decisions that's not on anyone BUT him. maybe it's best not to enable dictators. or don't blame anyone BUT the guy responsible.
     
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    You talk about everything but a humanitarian effort to provide food assistance? Of course the collective we don't know what Kim will allow but no matter we should encourage him and NK to accept assistance...
     
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    That's what happens when you start a new economic system that is based on the destruction of another economic system already in place, and it hasn't collapsed. Good luck on the integration.
     
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  19. Buri

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    It's not the job of the US to go around policing the world, giving out free lunch, or doing the job the guy who runs the country is SUPPOSED to do. we should be taking care of our own starving/homeless/vets before we go around handing out c-rats.
     
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    It's not a humanitarian suggestion. It's a security one. Collapsing that regime is very important to my security. The last time I saw a regime like it collapse, it was because the big lie the system was based on was exposed to the people. The Soviet people were pumped to compete with us for decades. Their leaders had them convinced that our system was evil, and that its collapse was inevitable. Just like Kim is doing. In fact, the details that supposedly prove our system sucks, are the same ones the Politburo used to convince their people. The Soviets used their victory in WWII to boost their credibility.. They matched us in nukes. They were beating us in space. So it looked like they could be right about capitalism vs communism. But incentives matter. And by the 1970s it was clear to most scholars that communism couldn't compete with capitalism in the long run. Many of the intelligentsia then passed that fact to the public over the next couple of decades. The exposure of the lie that communism could compete with capitalism brought a largely peaceful end to the USSR. In a nutshell the government lost respect of the people. It became more and more difficult for them to make excuses or lies about how every sector of their economy was inferior to America's.

    We need to make it difficult for Kim to maintain the lie. Any thing we can do, including flooding them with food. Will the regime develop and elaborate excuse for why this is happening? Probably. But keep the pressure on them to maintain the lie. Make them work.
     
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    You don't understand...we need to do both...this is why the USA is better than most other countries...
     
  22. Buri

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    I'm not buying that it's our responsibility to go around policing the world.
     
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    Okay...I get it...you are not into humanitarian efforts...
     
  24. Buri

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    no, I'm a libertarian. kim can fix his own problems if he wants to act like a loon, it's not up to the US to hold everyone's diaper.
     
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    Maybe you should read a US government mission statement on humanitarian efforts?? Department of State will give you all sorts of information that clearly explains how the US operates 100% opposite your self-serving beliefs. Here is an excerpt;

    The United States is the largest single provider of humanitarian assistance worldwide. Total U.S. humanitarian assistance worldwide was more than $10.5 billion in fiscal year 2020, including funding from the State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration and the U.S. Agency for International Development’s Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance.

    The primary goal of U.S. humanitarian assistance is to save lives and alleviate suffering by ensuring that vulnerable and crisis-affected individuals receive assistance and protection. U.S. funding provides life-saving assistance to tens of millions of displaced and crisis-affected people, including refugees, worldwide.

    Our assistance provides urgent, life-saving support, including food, shelter, safe drinking water, improved sanitation and hygiene, emergency healthcare services, child protection programs, and education, among other activities. This assistance is provided as close to refugees’ homes as possible in order to ensure timely access to assistance and mitigate against the need for dangerous onward travel. This approach also helps facilitate the safe and voluntary return to their countries of origin, if and when conditions allow them to do so.

    Read more about what specific bureaus are doing to support this policy issue:

    Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM): PRM is the humanitarian bureau of the State Department. PRM promotes U.S. interests by providing protection, easing suffering, and resolving the plight of persecuted and forcibly displaced people around the world. We do this by coordinating humanitarian policy and diplomacy, providing life-sustaining assistance, working with multilateral organizations to build global partnerships, and promoting best practices in humanitarian response.


    Thankfully in this case it doesn't make any difference what you think...the US has a long history of humanitarian assistance...
     

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