Kyiv: Kakhovka dam blown up on Putin’s order.

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    https://www.uawire.org/kyiv-kakhovka-dam-was-blown-up-on-putin-s-order.

    Soo...it sounds like the damage is far greater than what orcs intended....the RuZZki MoD gave almost little to no warning to its conscripts close to the contact line...to try to evacuate to safer areas....and there are a couple reports that there could be thousands of drowned RuZZki conscripts along with destroyed equipment.

    What took months to build is soggy earth collapsing into trenches and drowning conscripts. Those further to the rear ....who were quick enough....are wading through waist deep water to get away.

    There could be as many as 30K+ drowned....depending on reports and what actual #s were at the contact lines.....talk about wasting humanity....

    This really does nothing for the counteroffensive....won't stop resupply or re inforcement of UAF.

    If Mafiosi indeed popped it....Putlerstan ordered it...whose inept micromanagement of this whole $hitshow creates one of the biggest blunders in history.
     
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    If they really killed 30,000 of their own, then damn, that has to be the greatest own-goal in history, hands down.

    The #2 army in Ukraine would be just the one to earn that award..
     
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    It is not known yet who has blown up the dam, so putting blame on Putin is a way early. This damage may result in the interruption of the water supply to Crimea. Therefore, from this point of view Zelensky is more interested in the blowing up of the dam than Putin.
     
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    Its possible this guy did it to hurt Putin.

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    Viska chew-vahk....this is in Orc controlled territory 100%....the water gates were shut in order to create pressure....full intent.

    So...spare your Kremlinista a$$ kissing....listen to some real info...not Kremlin propaganda.
     
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    It will stop any offensive across the river.
     
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    Oh, it is know. Only Russia had access and could bring in tons of explosives by truck. The bombs were set inside and that has been proven.
     
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    The phuckers probably didn't expect it to play out the way it did....but it looks like they've not only shot themselves in the foot...but in the head too.

    There were a large #s of vatnik conscripts and equipment entrenched in/around that area....true #s unknown ....well...Kremlin knows,but will never admit.

    Not only thousands drowned...but minefields laid by the orcs....now those escaping,are trudging through those same mines....poetic justice I say.

    Crimea will get directly affected by this since it relies quite heavily on this water source.....liberating Crim has become much easier.
     
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    For now maybe....
     
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    Deaths aside, the advantage in crimea losing water supply is the only one.

    on the other hand it is not Russian land being flooded and destroyed for years. It’s Ukraine land. Including Crimea. They seek to take it all back and doing a scorched earth policy in reverse into land you’re trying to invade and keep, is dumb as rocks.

    You don’t flood the moat and then attack the castle. It’s really dumb.
     
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    Dude. Chuvak. Cutting water supplies to Crimea is not worth the devastation this has caused and the massively expensive cleanup and repairs, in addition to the human and non-human tragedy of all those homes and settlements flooded and all of those poor zoo and probably livestock animals killed.. Messing up agriculture in the region for a country that relies heavily on agricultural exports.. And yeah, complicating a counteroffensive in that region.

    It does not benefit Ukraine at all. It vaguely benefits Russia in trying to stop a counteroffensive, but it was handled as competently as they handled the invasion attempt that had idiots digging trenches in the Chernobyl exclusion zone..
     
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    Ooops?....I'm hearing...if true....RVC units have made an incursion into Crimea??....

    RVC seems embedded in Shebekina....their leader Denis Kapustin...indicates Belgorod city is their target?....oyy.
     
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    Maybe so, if true; but I have no idea where this 30k dead number is coming from-- it wasn't in the UAWire article, linked in the OP. I am doubtful that it is accurate; that level of incompetence, even from the Russian military, would be stupendous.
     
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    Ridiculous.
    1) Ukraine fully intends to, at some point, recapture Crimea.
    2) In the meantime, they certainly have no desire to conduct warfare against the people of Crimea; it is Putin's forces, who target civilians, and their infrastructure.
    3) As the Ukrainian official pointed out, any act of this magnitude, is nothing that could be carried out, without Putin's approval.
     
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    No, it won't. They would've been crossing in boats at night anyway, now they'll be crossing still but a bit more distance.
    Yet this time: With no mines or fortifications on the other side.

    Terrible ****ing plan.

    It didn't work for the soviet in 1941 either.
     
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    O no..... now the west will pay to rebuild that dam that was all ****ed up and soviet built in the first place, AND give aid supplies in addition to military aid.

    Bonus: There's a nuke plant that is downriver from this **** up. If it goes bang or dumps rads that reach nato, nato has already said that's an article V paddlin.
     
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    Maybe that's the grand orc plan at this point. Pull NATO in so they can save face when they lose.
     
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    So the plan is to get ****ed to death and cut up into spheres of influence and different nation states, because getting ****ed to death by Nato is better somehow than just backing off the Ukies?
     
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    You have to look at it from the perspective of a desperate autocrat who has signed his own death warrant by launching this failed invasion.
     
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    All of that makes the speculation the Russia blew it up intentionally pretty unlikely. Kinda like the whole 'they blew up their own pipeline' BS.

    It also deprives the seperatist regions of water utilities. The Russians would have to be far stupider than even western media wants to pretend to have done this on purpose, given the problems that region had when Ukraine shut off the water supply at that same dam a few years ago to emburden the troublesome residents of that region.

    It will certainly place a large humanitarian burden on Russia if they intend to aid and support the primarily ethnic Russian victims of the flooding and utility scarcity. That gives Ukraine a strong strategic motive for blowing it up.

    But the reality is that the dam was also a bridge. Its more likely that fighting on or near the bridge led to collateral damage that weekend the dam, than it is that either side delibaretly targetted it for destruction.

    But hey, dont let reality get in the way of propaganda. I mean, you never have before...
     
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    It is unclear when exactly the dam was first damaged or how it happened, but satellite images suggest its condition had deteriorated over a number of days. Russia has denied destroying the dam - which it controls - instead blaming Ukrainian shelling. Neither Ukraine or Russia's claim has been verified by the BBC.

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    A road across the dam can be seen to to be badly damaged from 2 June, but there did not seem to be a change to the flow of the water until 6 June when the breach of the wall and collapse of nearby buildings can be clearly seen.
     
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    Someone needs to put Putin out of his misery.
     
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    I doubt that is true. Going 5kmph across a flooded river which is currently 5km across... Plenty of time sitting there being sitting ducks to everyone the NVGs or thermal imagining. It would be a disaster and that is before half of your equipment gets stuck in the mud or swept down stream by swift currents.
     
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    Why wouldn't they blow it up??....the counteroffensive would've made them lose even more territory....this way it stalls it temporarily....knowing full well his "adventure" is an epic fail and a parish terrorist state.

    This is in occupied territory....who else.

    But I guess ignorance is bliss on your part.

    Aid Russians??.....hahaha, you're funny....the orcs were shooting at the locals....want a tweet?

    I'm sure you'll claim it's fake or can't read it...:).
     
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    Oh, but they did blow up their own pipeline. That didn't even cost them a single life, so it was a better decision on their part than most made in this war. If they hadn't blown it up, it would still be sitting there unused and requiring maintenance.

    Think about it. If they had warned units stationed in the flood zone and gotten them out ahead of time, that would have been a big red flag indicating that they had indeed done it intentionally. They opted to do this as another gray zone operation, obscuring the culprit and blaming their enemy. Given how many men they have sent into one meat grinder or another in this stupid war so far, it is obvious they care little about how many die. It was the same way in Stalin's time. They care more about what it will do to the enemy strategically on the battlefield and the misinformation value that they can get from it. Which also applies to the pipeline sabotage, incidentally.
     
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