Kyrsten Sinema goes independent, scrambles Senate

After Sinema goes on Fox I'm sure Conservative "family values" (lol) firms will be swarming her with offers.
It took them long enough to drop her, but better late than never.

Top progressive firm drops Sinema as a client


"Authentic has dropped the Arizona senator after she announced she was leaving the Democratic Party."

By Hailey Fuchs
Updated: 12/09/2022 02:25 PM EST

"The leading progressive digital firm Authentic has dropped Kyrsten Sinema as a client, after the Arizona senator announced she was leaving the Democratic Party, according to a person close to the firm.

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"Authentic has represented Sinema for years. But the firm saw an internal revolt over its work for the senator earlier this year as she voted against several of the Biden administration’s initiatives and refused to support revamping filibuster rules to move legislation on voting rights.

One employee wrote in a union message that the person felt that they were “doing the devil’s work.” Employees were told they could be removed from the account if they did not feel comfortable.

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The Sinema campaign has paid more than $700,000 to Authentic since the start of 2020, according to Federal Election Commission records. According to the filings, expenses included digital consulting and list acquisition.

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This was bound to happen. But doing this will close more doors for her than open new ones. However, she will follow in the same footsteps as Joe Liberman when he was in the Senate when he reseigned from the Democratic Party despite still voting predominately in the Democratic Caucus.

 

Her behavior won't change from what she normally does...and isn't headed for the Republican party by any means. I think under the independent label she might be harassed less when she using commonsense.

 

So far, she really has not changed her positions, especially on LGBTQ issues, abortion rights, immigration, and other social issues that will NOT get her invited on Fox.

 

I don't a single syllable that comes out of that snake's forked tongue. . Its just a matter of several baby steps - each taken at just the most vital moments for Mitch, just as it has been for the last two years. . This baby step is a direct response to that Georgia result.

 

Quite the opposite. Now both parties will be pandering to get her support. Manchin does the same.

 

The Democrats who are rejecting Sinema, are the Democratic citizens of Arizona! In a recent poll, of Dems, in a potential Primary between Sinema & Representative Rubin Gallego, Gallego wins by over 50 points!!

There is ONE reason that Sinema is announcing this move: so that she does not have to compete in a Democratic Primary. She is hoping-- I think, in vain-- that Dems will not want to risk dividing the Dem vote, & so allowing the Republican candidate to win her seat, the next time it is up for election.

 

From what I've seen with Fox it really doesn't matter.
Just leaving the Democrat Party is enough.
I was being kind of sarcastic about Sinema and Fox but thinking more about it I wouldn't put anything past her as she looks to 2024.
She'll never get re-elected as an Independent either and if she wants 2024 what's left but her trying to finagle her way to being some kind of Republican?
When the GOP tanked in the Senate and Raphael Warnock won I thought of her losing all her power and what's she going to do now?
She's got about a year, so it's a stay tuned.

 

dems most likely lose the senate in 2024. they have a lot more seats to defend in the election and a bunch are in states that went for Trump such as Ohio

 

That's how she got her cookies off, having everyone vying for her vote.
She just lost that power which is why she jumped ship.
Sinema is an opportunist snake in the grass .

 

While she apparently always has been a bit of a maverick, she is a Donkey, and has said that nothing will change. Good move for Arizona as it does give here some genuine independent power, but unless she delivers some very visible benefit for that State using that power before her next election, she will likely be history

 

Forgive me, but we just passed through an election in which I had numerous conservatives here telling me how Republicans were going to pick up the Senate, with a number of seats to spare-- so let's keep those predictions of what will happen in 33 or 34 races, with all those moving parts, and all those unknowns of what may occur in the next two years, on hold for now, OK? There is no reason that anyone should take such a prediction as yours, seriously, at this point. Since this thread is about one Senator in particular, Kyrsten Sinema, it makes more sense to center our arguments around her.

You had quoted my post, speculating that Sinema might hope that, in two years, Dems might treat her, as they do Bernie Sanders, or Angus King. That is, neither of those two are officially Democrats, but they caucus with the Dems, get Committee assignments with the Dems, and, all importantly (from Sinema's perspective) the DEMS DO NOT RUN CANDIDATES AGAINST THEM. The simple logic is that this might only hand the seat to a Republican, by splitting the vote, on the Left. Since Sanders is a reliable Democratic vote, and counts toward their majority, it is not worth the risk.

Sinema also votes with the Dems, most of the time. Nevertheless, if she stays with the Party, she will be subject to a Primary which, as it now looks, she would be sure to lose. So this avoids that problem; she will not have to run as a newly-declared Independent, who had just lost her Party's Democratic Primary. The only question, is are the Dems satisfied to live with Sinema, on these terms-- assuming her chances look good, as that election gets nearer-- or do they challenge her with their own, Democratic candidate for her seat, making it a three person race, and thereby improving the chances of the Republican? That was the thrust of the post, to which you responded.

So, in relation to that, what should I take your post to be saying? That the Dems will need every seat they can get in 2024, and so will not dare risking another loss, in Arizona? Are you saying that Dems will support Sinema, even contribute financially, and not endorse any Democratic candidate to oppose her? Or did your post have really nothing to do with mine?

While my initial instinct is that Dems will put up their own candidate to try to unseat her, I couch that in the reservations I presented to you, that it is still a bit early, to make any credible prediction. Tactically speaking, it seems like a very logical move, on her part. Her best gambit, even if it is far from assured to work. She will now get, through her actions, to make her own case, to the DNC, without needing to worry about having to win over the majority of Arizona's Democratic voters. Still, it seems a tough path, as she will need to offset her loss in Democratic voter enthusiasm, with appeal to Arizona's Independents and moderates (of all Parties). Yet, the more she does to promote herself to the middle, the more support she is likely to lose on the Left.

 

I will stick to my prediction-one that many left leaning political analysts have stated as well

 

Since they had all be wrong about the Senate-- even in such greater proximity to the actual election, than any predictions now, about 2024-- and I had made a much better guess, than most, it only makes sense that I should stick to my opinion, as well, & see it as more likely to be correct: as it had been, this time. And that opinion, is that any prediction, this far out, is absolutely meaningless.

 

Sounds like a lot of “hope” in your words hahaha

 

who are they since you seem to know

 

McConnell is a shapeshifter 'cause McConnell declares he's a conservative to his base in Kentucky and nationally when he's quite the opposite of conservative.

 

The change in RNC leadership will the impetus for change in GOP leadership in the Senate.

 

"Kyrsten Sinema goes independent, scrambles Senate"

she already was, the last two years proved that, nothing has changed but the letter behind her name

 

Trumpism raised the debt in 4 years, more than any other President had in 8 years.... Trumpism is not Conservative

 

Many neocons, er, many neo-fascists in the GOP confuse free market capitalism with conservatism. Free market capitalism and conservativism are not the same.

 

There are several important differences between Sinema and Manchin, politically and physiologically...

Here's something I bet you didn't know..

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The progressive polling firm Data for Progress in January found her favorability rating with Democratic primary voters to be just 19 percent, compared to 78 percent for Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.).

That same survey showed Sinema getting trounced by Gallego in a head-to-head primary battle, with Gallego capturing 74 percent support, compared to 16 percent for Sinema.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/09/sinema-party-arizona-senate-2024-00073301

Think THAT had any impact on her decision?

 

In what way do you, or anybody, not consider Mitch McConnell (R-KY) a conservative? Or laughably the opposite of a conservative?

He's not a MAGA, but I'm sure you know that's not the same thing...

 

If she continues to caucus with the Democrats, this is pretty much meaningless. I would remind those who don't follow politics that Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont are "Independents." They caucus and vote with the Democrats. When the news media counts noses, those two are included in the 51 seats that make up the upcoming Democrat Senate majority.

 

A conservative wouldn't back regime change in Russia, for example.