Labor's Ruddy Quandary

Bowen or Albanese

 

You get the feeling that labor are back in the game for the time being! Rudd will need an early election for 2 reasons

1. The honey moon period will not last long! People will have relief about Rudd returning to his old position, which will seemingly correct a wrong in australian political history, but confident people will grow a little tired of his persona very quickly once again!

2. If polls suggest that labor have the slightest chance of victory at the forthcoming election, then they'll want to pin abbott in the opposition chair and obviously give no opportunity for Turnbull to have a crack at coalition leadership! Obviously due to the fact that Turnbull polls significantly higher than abbott!

 

TV I don't think Labor has the time to devote too much time to Abbott. They have to convince the public they are unified. Hard to do when the vote was still pretty close. You will see a small lift in the polls and they may save around 5 to 10 seats that were knife edge. However this has really opened up a great advantage to the opposition. To axe a PM is bad enough, to axe a PM 10 or so weeks out from an election is quite frankly self indulgent and embarrassing.

I don't think they can unify in that time period, I believe they really need some time in opposition to rework the party and start to be an effective team.

Albanese got deputy, leaves treasurer for Bowen. Good politician Bowen.

Late august election ??? Suits me better as I was going to be in shanghai on election day, and like the rest of you, i love election day.

 

My thoughts are that they won't have to worry about abbott, he was simply the perceived lesser evil of the 2 leaders.

If it is at all true about the media love affair with Rudd, he may do well, especially with polling suggesting the 2 party preferred vote will be 50/50 under his leadership. Labor and Rudd only take is not regarding policy but the ability to engage the australian people with labors achievements!

I don't think you will find any sabotaging this far out from an election IMO due to the fact the left have serious question marks where an extreme right government would take australia economically and socially under Abbott! Rudd has delivered the message about the state of countries under conservative rule, a message I suppose Julia seemed to fail to deliver, which is austerity and clearly a path that Abbott has stated he would take the country! This is dangerous IMO!

 

Well blow me down, I did not think the ALP would do this so close to the election after the failure of the last effort at this.

Either early election as you suggest, or drag it out as far as it can. Many Gillard supporters may withdraw their support for obvious reasons, this would make Rudd's position more difficult. Rudd needs time to demonstrate the change he supposedly has made. Rudd however, has stated that today he will travel to China, as planned, come what may (exactly what he did when he was elected, fly away to other countries).

But one good thing is that the main offenders of the Gillard's inept government have resigned their position, allowing Rudd to actually show some demonstration of creating a proper functioning body. This however will take time.

As most people believe that this move is not to win the election but to reduce the damage.

The question is, will Australian's simply forget the previous leadership of Rudd and simply vote for the celebrity or will they remember and make them pay?

Only time will tell…

 

I think Gillard's government style was that they never were able to get out of the opposition mentality.

Many blame the media for Gillard's failures, but really, a good leader would have held the party together and eliminated the threat from Rudd over the last three years. Whenever her government made policy announcements and were asked questions, little detail about said policy, they spent most time berating the opposition for their position. This gave many the ideas that these politicians really did not know what they were talking about and were simply following party lines. People did not want to hear from the media the same thing from every politician all the time, the only alternative was the opposition who talked more about why policy would fail rather than how stupid the government is.

I don't think that will give Rudd the time to demonstrate the change he needs, but who knows?

 

People don't vote for parties, regardless of whether they should or not.

As much as it pains me to say, the average Australian is completely ignorant when it comes to politics. They rely on leaders or at best primitive party loyalties.

Rudd being put in the top job puts the coalition in an awkward position. Now their leader is the hated one. They should replace him with Turnbull - who is actually half decent.

 

I think there is a huge belief that labor can win! Unfortunately, the vast majority of voters will make their decision based on personality, which is in favour of Rudd! I think Rudd is ego centric clown but that is not the way many voters see him and the reason why labor had to make the move, unfortunately. Australia has the best economy in the world, thanks to swan and gillards leadership, but she obviously couldn't convey the positives to the community! One of the main reasons why is the mainstream media!

We need to be honest about our media and start to demand more! Everyone laughed when labor alluded to actions regarding biased media reporting, but hey, Murdoch and his guys are laughing at us! The people aren't controlling australia, this clown is.....Australia must wake up to this fact for our own sake! It is pretty embarrassing that we actually let this happen to be honest!

 

I found it interesting this morning that Rudd is scrapping the Carbon Tax in favour of an ETS. Brings some arguments on this forum into perspective.

What I found interesting was that Bishop was pointing out to the ALP how they can't scrap the tax as they have spent the money already. Then how does Bishop explain how the opposition would scrap the tax ? Regardless, if the money has been already spent, it has to be redeemed. So how do the Libs believe they will redeem the already spent money ?

This election is going to ask more questions than it has answers for. Rudd is already on the empty promise bandwagon. Mr Popularity it seems, Hollywood Kev !

What I know for sure is this election will have more illusion than a Seigfried and Roy show.

 

Yes, it does. Should be intriguing if they actually follow through on this promise and exactly what they intend to introduce.

So the point begins, of course it can be repealed but Gillard had already spent the revenue expected to be raised. The only way to expect to change this is to cut some budget promises of which the coalition does not have to maintain. However, what you would see is that should the coalition repeal the carbon tax they will put it off until the country can afford it ( will be the line) in which time the coalition will introduce more funding options.

He is on the popularity push, this is exactly what the ALP expected of him. But will the country be fooled?

Fool me once, more fool you. Fool me twice, more fool me. How many Australians will demonstrate their foolishness?

Too true.

 

Australia is the best economy in the world thanks only to Gillard and Swan??? LOL You do realise that Rudd was their first and foremost in the GFC??? LOL

He entire problem of conveying her message has been from her leadership ability. All party leaders usually appoint somebody to attack the opposition and the rest to state policy. Gillard seemed to appoint nobody but attack dogs.

It was interesting to hear parliament yesterday, the entire government where answering questions. Something that has not happened in three years... What a difference 24hrs makes. It is expected that the government will denigrate coalition policies, but when that is all they do then what message can be sent?

Good leadership??? No... She was the leader, she was the PM, yet she acted like she needed to beat the coalition at everything to be the government.

We need to start demanding more from media??? Or is it you are saying that the media should give a free pass to poor leaders??? As stated above, Gillard would not state anything but berate the coalition for their stand on particular policy rather than explain the policy they were introducing. Often enough the policy they would berate the coalition on had nothing to do with the policy that was being discussed. How can the media report nothing but derogatory statements on the opposition than guess at actual policy???

Classic examples, Do you actually know how the NDIS scheme works and what it does? Do you know exactly what the mining tax is and how it works? Without looking it up, can you actually guess what they are??? I don't think so, and you would be one of the people in this country that would listen to every word Gillard said.

Honestly, the ALP drones should wake up and expect more from their politicians and not simply lay blinding faith on the ALP members simply because they are in the ALP.

Interesting side note, Since Penny Wong changed her support does that mean she wears a blue tie as well???

 

You're wite about wong....

 

It is said that Wong and Gillard fell out about the direction of the campaign. Wong wanted to debate the opposition on policy. She felt the constant personal attack on Abbott was flawed and then when Gillard started the ' Battle of the Sexes ' routine she lost her Wongs support.

 

The problem was that Gillard simply wanted to debate coalition policy. She was in government, so it is important to present policy with detail. I assume that Gillard did not want to debate her own policy, because she never did.


Coming into elections is when you debate the opposition on their policy, the rest of the time they should get on with governing the country. They did not.

 

I'll let you play little games around this, but he oversaw the ground work!

Lets be honest and say that the media were never polite to her at any stage! The realities were that she couldn't get the message out more so than not being able to convey it!

never saw question time! If we're honest about this, she did cop a hard time from simply being a female!

Rudd was a hopeless leader, I'm sure we'll agree but never copped the negative flak this woman copped! Yet, but for bad polling many changed sides! The support of her caucus was a massive demonstration of her leadership ability, surely you can't be that silly not to equate this!

Wake up, your talking to adults not your school buddies or your roommates in the dementia home! You've obviously got no idea, and quickly researched the topic and now want to convince us that you are the omniscient god of politics!

Does it?

 

She debated labors policies time and time again! In fact she ran rings around Abbott in parliament but what did the media show time and time again.......little snippets they can take out of context time and time again! Bird brains who rely on mainstream media reporting are an embarrassment to themselves and a danger to our country! Garry, you have demonstrated your shallowness time and time again, and try to convince others you don't read papers or watch TV! Well my o my, you seem to comment verbatim Murdoch's papers and TV channels!

 

Games? So he was a caretaker for Gillard for almost three years? He deserves no credit for how the ALP handled the GFC??? LOL... Grand idea there.

Yes let us be honest... No the media was not polite to her. She deserved no more special treatment than any other politician. But to blame the media for not getting the message across is a cop-out. You have to give the message for it to get out. A good leader will is also responsible for getting the message out and she failed on that part as well.

Fair enough, but I can assure you it was a complete turnaround in less than 24hrs. Gillard did cop a lot, but be very honest with yourself here, from the start she attempted to capitalise on the fact she was a female and when she was not getting the extra-special treatment she and her party thought they would get, Gillard created the gender debate. The Australia people did not care about her gender until Gillard decided it should make a difference (even you here). Gillard is no saint in this effort and pretending she is deluded at the least.

I agree that Rudd was hopeless, and he did cop negative flak but not over his gender (obviously as he, is not a she). No support from the caucus was as the same as Rudd's is now, to put the most popular person forward in an attempt to win an election. Her leadership ability was never brought to question before her attempt at leadership only the factor of popularity to the people. That seemed to fail for her and the party at the next election due to the turnaround at the next election. Blame her for that??? No, could be due to Rudd, but more to the manoeuvring of the caucus to play the celebrity card.

LOL... that simply demonstrates the fact that the message (even to the devoted ALP) was never given.

The media is to blame for Gillard not getting the message out, yet the devoted does not even know what the great policy is. Research the topic??? If the message was given by Gillard, why should I need to research it??? Do you understand the stupidity of your comment NOW?

I find it interesting, you also consider this due to media bias and gender war, when 1/3 of the ALP cabinet quit over the move and yet NONE where the female vote... LOL

 

Do you understand your previous comment????

So how do you know what was debated by Gillard and what was not? Was it from the mainstream media? Was it from some other source that was not part of the mainstream media? Maybe the ALP minders???

When you listen for yourself it is hard to blame the media for the problems of Gillard. BUT NO, you do not listen to any media because they are all bias. Papers, Telly where all against the Gillard.... Boohoo, but you admittedly do not even listen to Gillard or the ALP themselves. How can you blame anybody for anything, if you don't know yourself?

Shallow you say??? Yet you seem know all without even listening. You demonstrate the style of Gillard over and over, blame everybody else for your failure to actually produce results. Gillard, continued to assault the Coalition for coalition policy for what purpose? To get into government? She was Already the PM, why did she need to debate the coalition on the policy the coalition had?

The most obvious thing is, Gillard never ran rings around anybody, she is now on the back bench because of that fact. It does not take main stream media to demonstrate that... LOL

 

Gillard conveyed the message regarding the ETS, gonski, NBN etc etc! Don't be a tool Garry! Her message was drowned out by abbotts constant negative message! The media purposely focused on his message!

Time and time again abbott and his cronies were made to look like amateurs during question time, but invariably it was abbotts negative message that made the news! Go figure!

 

So the message was...

You clearly demonstrate as a great ALP supporter that you know little of what any policy the ALP has announced in the last 3 years actually involve. The fact you still call the carbon tax an ETS (even after Gillard herself admitted it) and that you know nothing of substance of the Gonski report simply demonstrates that there was no message given.

How do you know what goes on in question time, you clearly state you never watch it. Fact is the ALP has brought the level of Question time to the lowest form. No, answer to any questions just pushes focus on the Coalition policy and lack of detail. Fact is senator Conroy in question time Wednesday was ask six questions on the very same policy and never in any of the time did he even proffer an answer.

Perhaps is you had not mentioned the fact you consider the mainstream media as shallow, your clear reliance on the source would not demonstrate that you are actually reflecting on your own persona

 

Where did I say I never watch question time?

The carbon price is a fixed price period, as was recommended by economic experts to provide stability in the market! It is not a permanent fixture as Abbott has led you to believe....lol! Do you really want to go over this again. You've obviously haven't learnt anything!

I'm betting conroy answered the question but as is your "Three Evil Monkey's" notion of hear no good, speak no good, see no good, we couldn't expect more from you!

Gazza, go read another news limited article! You've never got anything but drivel, and embarrassingly always attempting to prove your omniscience! I just debate with because you provide me with a giggle to be honest!

 

Why do the ALP sooks cry when the Opposition actually opposes their silliness? As for question time, the opposition has no opportunity to defend themselves against the continuous abuse of the ALP. Cowardly of the ALP, don`t you think? Saw Rudd`s performance on question time, made himself look silly, refusing to answer questions honestly, ranting off on juvenile tangential blather. All Abbott has had to do, has been to sit back, ignore the low life abuse of the ALP, and rise above their gutter politics. He`s done it well too.

 

You are so right, Abbott has done nothing very well

 

Your words… LOL

Oh please... Do you really want to see again the words of your own PM demonstrate your lie? You proclaim it to be only a transitional period? When do you expect it to transition to an ETS??? Come on, show your foolishness, or were you not aware that it is to be reviewed next year and at that time a possible time frame for this so called transition will be examined. Did you not know there is no set time frame to change and that Gillard simply told you the expected transition from a TAX to an ETS was to be examined? I thought you knew all this, did not Gillard tell you? Oh that is right the media blocked that message didn't they?

Read the Hansard... No answer. Three questions from the coalition, nothing but reflection on the coalition policy... three questions from the Greens, nothing but reflection on the coalition policy. In fact the Greens launched a motion that Conroy never answers question either without notice or with notice in parliament, committee or in any other form of governmental recommendation. So, your proclamation of your opinion would appear to be from your lack of knowledge of your own party... LOL

LOL... So you do not have anything of any other form media than that of which you proclaim as shallow and biased. That fact you debate me is simple demonstration that nobody gives you any creditability for anything and that you must reply to support your own stupidity.

Honestly, you are obtuse with the fact you proclaim to have far greater reference of information yet you know absolutely nothing about anything that is not in that media you complain about. You assume that when somebody else tells you something you have not seen in the media it is wrong and you refuse to examine any other media to source truth. So your attempt at insult only further demonstrates the futility of your desperation.

 

You are a fool Garry! There is a difference between stating " I never saw" question time as opposed to " I never watch" question time! This in itself is a demonstration of your nonsense! You get yourself tangled up in your "lack" of comprehension! Hey, it is pretty clear that I'm not the only one that has tried to constructively criticise you of this!

I mean what you have stated regarding the ETS is a total demonstration of your lack of comprehension and nous!