Latvian Nazi legionaries march in Riga every year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion_Day First of all I'd like to ask all Russians on this forum to avoid posting in this thread, please. There are two reasons why I'm asking it: 1- It's clear how negative Russians feel about such fascism meetings. I'm sure there is no doubt for anybody that USSR sacrificed many millions lives to fight against fascism. The pure fact is that USSR is the main country in fighting Nazi Germany in the WW2. And fascism bring lot of sorrow to almost every Russian family. We all know this and no need to say about this again in this topic. 2- Unfortunately, there are 3 or 4 active Russian users on this forum only. And all of them have a very low IQ level to participate in serious talks. This why I'm asking Russians on this forum to avoid posting in this topic. We are simply not interested in your arguments. So, the topic is: Latvian Nazi legionaries march in Riga every year. It's very hard for me to imagine such meeting in any other civilized country. My open question would be: many of those who is marching on the streets of Riga are consequences of political fight between USSR and Germany. Baltic countries lost its independence to USSR and many of those people thought they actually fight for freedom. At the same time some of them are guilty for the crime of Nazism because they were killing innocent people. Now many of them are trying to hide behind the conviction that they fought for freedom. Should this people march on streets in this case? Should modern united Europe has such actions? Is it shame, democracy or respect to history? Many of Latvians ( so as most of eastern Europeans ) don't like Russians. Is it simple presentation of Russophobe or actual act of symphonizing to fascism? I have my own opinion about it but I'd love to hear your opinions. Please, be constructive if you have something to say about it.
But Max , Russia is itself a totally Fascist state .Russians may not like that description , but once they realise what the term means and how they live , they are 100% members of a Fascist State . They have no Gas chambers for ethnic slaughtering ( as far as I know) but their hate of Muslims , the people of the Caucasus Emirate , Jews and homosexuals is as bad as Nazi Germany . They have no free Media --- TV or news papers , and they are ruled totally by the State Security Forces and are denied freedom of speech and freedom of democratically run elections . If that is not Fascism , what is ? And anybody surprised , is seriously recommended to the definitions of Fascism before they start crying and whining .
I suggest you to create this thread at any Latvian neo-Nazi forum. I think you'll find there many users with very high IQ to discuss this theme.
Another one masterpiece of Ray. I mean , there are so much miserable and helpless whining in these posts of Rey .
The question you should address yourself to is --- Who do these Posts benefit ? Is it the Russian people ? Or , Ray himself ? End of story .
We forgive raymondo as he is local attraction and amuses our forum. But look at a masterpiece of hypocrisy written by MaxRiga. This is something new. One can think he cares of our feelings but does not want to discuss because of we are too idiotic for him. Tears of sensuality flow on my cheeks. Thank you MaxRiga. Thank you our father.
No, Ray. It's just your inability to adequately respond. You're weak, Ray, but you trying to seem bigger than you are at in reality. . It's funny.
And whom Latvians love? I have long seen the trend then nation is less than more the nation pulling to fascism in this nations.
Two unwelcome Russians came and mess around. Two more should come .... I bet being uncivilized is nation sport in Russia. No other explanation if I asked them to avoid the topic and they didn't Those Russians .....
In my opinion this is the correct supervision. This is a kind of trap in which small nations fall. On the one hand the extreme nationalism and nazism are used by the small nation as means of a survival among the big nations, the means of saving of own language and culture. On the other hand it prevents development. The big nations become big because they absorb the energy of other peoples, assimilating immigrants and so on. Latvia will never be something significant if it will continue to act in this spirit. So I think this is more Latvian problem than a problem of its neighbours.
It is a pity, the idiotic thread involves idiots only. But wait a little, our polite teacher. May-be someone clever will take an interest in problems of Latvian nazism and will write here a pair of clever sentences.
Oh, yes that's very pretty for common decency, the two of us reasonable people from Russia ,need to read the posts of one idiot from Latvia .
During the second world war, the Latvian people disliked jews and other immigrants more than the German people. In Germany, the nazis executed jewish political enemies secretly. In Latvia, they did it out in the open. None of the Latvians cared. The Latvians still do not like jews, or any of the other newcomers entering their country. I have heard first-hand accounts from multiple sources. One black woman from Canada said she stoped studying in Latvia because of the bad treatment she got there.
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try being an only white person studying in south africa and see what happens when reverse racism happens? racism happens everywhere to everyone....nothing special
I see danger with Baltic States. LTV station Styled Nazi picture, how far Baltic States can go with neo-liberal policies.
http://yamert.livejournal.com/298370.html You must see it. "Patriotism classes" in Latvian schools, with photos. No comments.
Well, Russia is descending towards fascist state, though it isn't at the moment. State services still don't kill or put in jails all the activists of trade unions (not all - but some of them) and other such organizations. Nazi gangs still experience some restrictions due to the criminal code, though they have enough freedom to attack and kill people just because the state doesn't care too much about these things. But surely we have some of the main fascism characteristics. There is very restricted democracy; there is widespread chauvinism, and among common people too. There is state ideology very much alike with the "corporate state" idea. There is police brutality. There is political police services with functions a bit like these of Gestapo - but far less violent and less powerful. Although these things exists for example in the USA as well. In South American countries. In some west European countries. In some Middle East and Central Asia countries. Etc. The World as a whole is not too far from fascism... And I suppose it will be descending towards fascism, because ruling elite needs it very much. They have to get a powerful violent force against all this wave of social activity because of the crisis. For Baltic countries it is very, _very_ actual because their govts have driven economics, industries into havoc. People already are angry against them. We remember these mass protests with attacks against the state seim. Govts need to redirect people's rage from social into national categories. The same is for Russia, so Russian govt will do the same things in the close future.
2MaxRiga My real opinion will be deleted because of obscenities. Softly speaking, I think this is an example of crazy meanness against children. UPD To your 1st post. It depends from whose point of view we'll look at the question. From this of EU far perspectives - of course they should march, they should teach children that nazi collaborators fought for freedom, against evil red occupation. It is natural for the tendency of EU politics. It's not only for Baltic countries - we've seen such facts in Hungary, in Czech, in Germany, in Russia and Ukraine (so, not only for EU). I mean not only parades. There's "interesting" movements around monuments: "commie" monuments are being destroyed or damaged, these of nazi and collaborators on the contrary are emerging. Well, of course the World and Life do not orbit the monuments, but it's a part of propaganda offensive.
