Lawyer Kenneth Chesebro pleads guilty over efforts to overturn Trump’s 2020 loss in Georgia

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    No real talking points and they know that simply just blaming democrats is getting old and no one actually buys it anyway. Well, maybe Zorro.......:D
     
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...over-fake-electors-pleads-guilty/71252767007/

    “Chesebro, whose trial was scheduled to begin Monday, pleaded guilty to a single charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents. He agreed to serve five years on probation, pay a $5,000 restitution and testify against others in future cases. His agreement fell under Georgia's First Offender Act, which will clear his record if he successfully completes his probation.”

    Suhwiiiing and a miss

    You think he was going to accept a plea without it when he already rejected one including it? Not gonna happen.
     
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    I'd give your post a like for being accurate, it's the 1st story that had that part written into it.
    But I can't.
     
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    I see you don't know how racketeering cases are dealt with in court - the DA only gives offers like this IF the defended is lower on the ladder AND
    they have truly incriminating evidence that they can testify to in court. Rudy and Trump are and Meadows are the ones that the DA is most interested
    in. Means that the 2 ex-Trump lawyers have something juicy on Trump and company.
     
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    Oh, you (and quite a few others) might live to eat that taunt…
     
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    So, you quite content/confident that Humpty will be succeed in having these false charges (as you have described them) thrown out?
     
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    I think there was an element of sarcasm in his post…?
     
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    Yes I know the dark side won’t let you. Perhaps the sith’s will allow you to think for yourself eventually. Good luck buddy
     
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    Really? So then why did they offer him the plea deal already and he reject it? Clearly they didn’t have his “incriminating” information when he rejected their first plea. Which means when they offered the second one they didn’t have it either. This was an offer from the prosecution to keep it out of trial, not a request from the defendant.
     
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    They won’t be thrown out because ole fat Fani is a little too deep at this point. He will be acquitted on most of the charges and all of the serious ones.

    At most they’ll get him with the felony of conspiracy to file a false document.
     
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    clearly they are going after the big fish and want his testimony
     
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    Seeing as how he was a day away from trial and had already rejected a previous plea deal, I don’t think they knew what his testimony was going to be. He wouldn’t have shared his defense or provided them anything incriminating before his trial.

    Which sounds more to me like the prosecution didn’t want this going to trial so they offered him a sweetheart deal with less than the minimum sentence and probation. Which would completely wipe any conviction off his record to keep this from going to trial.

    But remember. So far. She has zero convictions on her top two targets that she wanted in Chesebro and Powell
     
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    we will see, I bet you he testifies against the others as part of the plea deal
     
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    Well I’m sure that’s part of the plea deal.

    I said this earlier but some mod deleted it cause I used a term he didn’t like. So it’s like I said earlier, the left is getting super happy about the fact they’re getting “co-conspirators” to flip. Which in the vast majority of cases prosecutors bring that means the co-conspirator has to be honest which results in information of a crime being committed.

    However what y’all are failing to realize (you actually know this but most of you don’t admit it), is that these are (forgive the pun) trumped up charges. The idea Trump actually committed RICO violations justifying 400+ years in prison is preposterously absurd. So when his “co-conspirators” tell the truth, it’s not going to result in information which details criminal behavior.

    if this were an ACTUAL case where they had a defendant that ACTUALLY committed a crime and they have charged him with CORRECT charges that actually fit his criminal activity then you’d be right, his co-conspirators flipping would screw him because they’d have to tell the truth.

    But in this case you have an overzealous biased and politically motivated prosecutor bringing charges that she doesn’t have the evidence for and a case that doesn’t fit the facts.

    Therefore when his co-conspirators tell the truth, as the old saying goes, the truth shall set you free!!!
     
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    I’m guessing Chesebro’s lawyer thought they could get him on transmitting false documents in trial but not on racketeering. So when the first plea deal was going to give him racketeering charges he refused. But once they said they would drop it to filing false documents and give him less than the mandatory minimum sentence and he would be eligible for the first offender program on the day of the start of his trial his lawyer said to go for it.

    But given that he was going to fight the racketeering charges, I think the only testimony from him that’s going to do you any favors is on the filing false documents part.
     
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    And if we’re honest here. If all you get Trump on is conspiracy to file false documents, that’s a massive fail.
     
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    Is there anything in this Article you disagree with?

    Link.
     
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    Mostly just that it’s behind a pay wall and I can’t see it lol
     
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    Bugger. This is the gist of it:

     
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    So it’s difficult without the entire article to make a cogent point about it but given what I have, I agree I think that’s why the case was brought in Georgia because they have a lower bar than others.

    With that being said, so far she has no racketeering crimes that I can tell.

    9)(A) "Racketeering activity" means to commit, to attempt to commit, or to solicit, coerce, or intimidate another person to commit any crime which is chargeable by indictment under the following laws of this state:

    (i) Article 2 of Chapter 13 of this title, relating to controlled substances;

    (ii) Article 3 of Chapter 13 of this title, known as the "Dangerous Drugs Act";

    (iii) Subsection (j) of Code Section 16-13-30, relating to marijuana;

    (iv) Article 1 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to homicide;

    (v) Article 2 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to bodily injury and related offenses;

    (vi) Articles 3 and 4 of Chapter 7 of this title, relating to arson and destructive devices, respectively;

    (vii) Code Section 16-7-1, relating to burglary, or Code Section 16-7-2, relating to smash and grab burglary;

    (viii) Code Section 16-9-1, relating to forgery in the first degree;

    (ix) Article 1 of Chapter 8 of this title, relating to theft;

    (x) Article 2 of Chapter 8 of this title, relating to robbery;

    (xi) Code Sections 16-6-9 through 16-6-12 and 16-6-14, relating to prostitution and pandering;

    (xii) Code Section 16-12-80, relating to distributing obscene materials;

    (xiii) Code Section 16-10-2, relating to bribery;

    (xiv) Code Section 16-10-93, relating to influencing witnesses;

    (xv) Article 4 of Chapter 10 of this title and Code Sections 16-10-20, 16-10-23, and 16-10-91, relating to perjury and other falsifications;

    (xvi) Code Section 16-10-94, relating to tampering with evidence;

    (xvii) Code Section 16-12-22, relating to commercial gambling;

    (xviii) Code Section 3-3-27, relating to distilling or making liquors;

    (xix) Part 2 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of this title, known as the "Georgia Firearms and Weapons Act";

    (xx) Code Section 16-8-60, relating to unauthorized transfers and reproductions of recorded material;

    (xxi) Chapter 5 of Title 10, relating to violations of the "Georgia Uniform Securities Act of 2008";

    (xxii) Code Section 3-3-27, relating to the unlawful distillation, manufacture, and transportation of alcoholic beverages;

    (xxiii) Code Sections 16-9-31, 16-9-32, 16-9-33, and 16-9-34, relating to the unlawful use of financial transaction cards;

    (xxiv) Code Section 40-3-90, relating to certain felonies involving certificates of title, security interest, or liens concerning motor vehicles;

    (xxv) Code Section 40-4-21, relating to removal or falsification of identification numbers;

    (xxvi) Code Section 40-4-22, relating to possession of motor vehicle parts from which the identification has been removed;

    (xxvii) Code Section 16-9-70, relating to use of an article with an altered identification mark;

    (xxviii) Article 6 of Chapter 9 of this title, known as the "Georgia Computer Systems Protection Act";

    (xxix) Any conduct defined as "racketeering activity" under 18 U.S.C. Section 1961 (1)(A), (B), (C), and (D);

    (xxx) Article 3 of Chapter 5 of this title, relating to kidnapping, false imprisonment, and related offenses, except for Code Section 16-5-44, relating to aircraft hijacking;

    (xxxi) Code Section 16-11-37, relating to terroristic threats and acts;

    (xxxii) Code Section 16-5-44.1, relating to motor vehicle hijacking;

    (xxxiii) Code Section 16-10-32, relating to tampering with witnesses, victims, or informants;

    (xxxiv) Code Section 16-10-97, relating to intimidation of grand or petit juror or court officer;

    (xxxv) Article 11 of Chapter 1 of Title 7 and Sections 5311 through 5330 of Title 31 of the United States Code relating to records and reports of currency transactions;

    (xxxvi) Article 8 of Chapter 9 of this title, relating to identity fraud, and Section 1028 of Title 18 of the United States Code, relating to fraudulent identification documents and information;

    (xxxvii) Code Section 33-1-9, relating to insurance fraud;

    (xxxviii) Code Section 16-17-2, relating to payday loans;

    (xl) Code Section 16-9-101, relating to deceptive commercial e-mail; or

    (xxxx) Code Section 16-8-102, relating to residential mortgage fraud.

    (B) "Racketeering activity" shall also mean any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, theft, receipt of stolen property, bribery, extortion, obstruction of justice, dealing in narcotic or dangerous drugs, or dealing in securities which is chargeable under the laws of the United States or any of the several states and which is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year.

    Which of those did Trump or his co-defendants commit?
     
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    At best I think they have what 28? Powell accessing a computer she shouldn’t have?
     
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    lol…nice turd polishing, but I saw the same longwinded retort on another forum.
    You people must cut and paste from the same propaganda farm fodder, eh?
     
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