Let Them Eat Cake - or - Trump goes full-on Bernie over Corona Virus

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    here is a good image showing what reducing the curve is about


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    That's as speculative as an investor, and I wouldn't have made that bet. But the crash isn't important anymore. The financial devastation by this stupid plan has just created a trillion dollar inflationary bubble.

    Way to "respond". Even when we get past this, our next battle will be making sure we don't revisit 1928.
     
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    Sure it does. When China forced isolation the numbers continued to double through the incubation period of 2-14 days, then it began to level off. If you take the mid-line of 8 days and figure it's doubling every 3-4 days, then the number of cases is going to double 2-3 times.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/

    The US 9,464 as of today, March 19. 4,732 would be half that. We had 4,663 on March 16. Half of that would be 2331. We had 2,247 on March 13. Half that would be 1,123. We had 994 on March 10

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    So we are doubling in a little less than 3 days. That should put us at 18,928 on the 22nd and 37,856 on the 25th. Maybe even 75,704 on the 28th at which point if we are doing a good job, we should start to see a leveling off. But, were we to see 150k in 3 more days and 300k in 3 days after that and 600k 3 days after that and a 1,200k by April 9 - will be under forced quarantine at gunpoint. Whatever it takes to stop the spread will be done, and rapidly, because we know we will get 2-3 more doubles in less than 10 days after effective measures are in place.
    The vast majority of us are smart enough to figure this out. Keep in mind that even a brief jail sentence could be a death sentence in an epidemic. This is a time for good thinking and sober reasoning.

    We have two stats in our country that are at variance with the world:

    1. Our serious rate is 1% rather than 10% - that's very good.
    2. Our death rate in completed cases is 59% rather than 9% - that's very bad.
    Median time from first symptom to difficulty breathing is 5 days, to hospital admission is 7 days and to death is 14 days.
    1. could be due to recent rapid spread.
    2. could be due to we were only detecting serious cases.​

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#days
     
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    So...when this dumb plan fails(and it WILL fail), instead of revisiting the stupidity of this madness, the government will then point guns at us? This is not going to go well at all. This isn't sober thinking. It's the opposite. It's "madcap reasoning" to DO SOMETHING.

    That do something, has us staring down the next great financial challenge, so we can save hospital beds. Utterly absurd. Hey, if it works out great. But from someone who studied finances, this is just a lesson in how to cause a global financial catastrophe with the worst, awful decisions you could possibly make.
     
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    Give me a link that supports your claim that folks with a 6 figure income are getting a $1,000-
    If you live in PA, that could be a real problem for his re-election.
     
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    it's also been a huge waste of resources to make test kits. they are useless because there is no treatment. the virus has been in the wild for many months which means many millions are infected, testing them will cripple healthcare systems which will create mass panic.
     
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    that could be the plan... total control over the world's populous... owo coming soon
     
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    Exponential growth curve.
    Likely millions already inoculated and shedding virus.
    Can you show mathematically what this slowing of the growth curve would look like and what that would mean in terms of numbers of infected and time to achieve those numbers?


    Everything we've done since 20008 guaranteed it.

    The coming depression was put into motion in the early 90's as credit ramped up and our manufacturing base off shored itself to china and elsewhere. By 2008 debt based consumerism died. We bailed out the richest men in the world, creating insane wealth for them.
    We will bail them out again and they will get even richer.

    Meanwhile our businesses are being crushed to death by draconianian useless measures
     
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    Its hilarious and sad that some can type the word "pandemic" into their post yet think there are only 90 cases in Ohio.
     
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    Theres are no numbers or calculations in your post.

    Play with this equation for a minute
    F(x) = RO^x, where x is everytime a newly infected person passes it to someone new
    Know that the virus causes a very high viral load that is shedding and transmitting within 1-2 days.
    Know that this is typically days before symptoms appear.
    There are likely millions currently inoculated and infected as the vast majority aren't documented.(if this weren't true there would be no pandemic).


    Play with the math.
    Quantify mathematically what it would take to "flatten the curve".
    Mathematically demonstrate what "flattening the curve" entails, and what measures one would need to achieve that result..

    Quantify "time since first infection" and what the math says "flattening the curve" will achieve.
    Days, weeks, months? Do you know?

    You are smart, go ahead and do the math.
    Dont post it, just do it for yourself.
     
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    looks like 2 piles of left wing manure
     
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    One propagandist says "flatten the curve" and all the sheeple are using the phrase within days.
     
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    Their theory is laughable. On one hand "Don't go to the hospital" on the other hand "Don't go outside, you could get sick and overwhelm our hospitals." I give it a month, before the Republic's citizenry goes "Enough of this crap."

    Freedom and Liberty were fought for and they died for it. They DIED for freedom and liberty, we can willingly choose to make the same sacrifice by risking our health. The right to choose is what makes a human, a human. This idea that our individual liberty is sacrificed to the collective is a communist ideal, it has no place in this Republic.
     
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    Tom "Red" Cotton is a well known Bernie Socialist with a closet full of Che' teeshirts. The conservative thing is cover.

    His service to this nation is well appreciated none-the-less.
     
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    what do you think of the President's handling of this crisis?

    do you disagree with his task force?
     
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    RW is socialist. They just don't pay for their socialism. They borrow it.
     
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    I don't know, it'd pretty hard to out Bernie, Bernie!

    Bernie Trying To Decide Which House To Quarantine Himself In.

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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is RW?
     
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    Right wing.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, they're not borrowing this time. They're asking the working class to pay for the money they're giving to the wealthy with no obligation to pay some or all of it back.
     
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    So $2 trillion to billionaires is the way to success in Republicans? A $2 trillion that goes buy out stock and make huge bonuses to the billionaires rather than building huge new plants and infrastructure!

    But some $1000 survival checks to help working people and layed off people and mom and pop businesses is a "trillion dollar inflationary bubble".

    Oh, yeah, nothing ever changes on the Republicans! Government Billionaire Stimulus = GOOD, Government Working and Poor people Stimulus = BAD!
     
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    They haven't asked yet.
    But I am sure that is in their plans. Until they do, they are borrowing by raising the deficit and debt.
     
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    I dont know a single conservative opposed to limited social safety nets.

    This is an extenuating circumstance. Not socialism.
     

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