LGBTQ and the Bible

No reasonable people or anyone of the stature of an Augustine or LeMaitre would tell you that Jack really climbed a beanstalk.
They would be insane. Of course, I suppose one can claim that any person who does not view the Bible as a mere fairy tale, on a par with Little Red Riding Hood, and Snow White, is insane.

On edit: I asked what other fairy tale has been as significant to our social, artistic, and moral culture as the Bible?

 

And yet people still do, in fact, believe the magical nonsense in the iron aged fairy tale. And until we were able to show it as nonsense, every Christian believed it. So you speak from a place of luxury that was given to you by people who put aside the fairy tale and gained knowledge via secular means. And still today we have leaders who think "Yahweh is in control", which is equally absurd. So, really, your comments make them look even more ridiculous than anything i have said. I suggest you go tell them to stop believing that Jesus "climbed the beanstalk".

 

Straw man argument. Nobody argued that Jesus "climbed a beanstalk" or made any of the ridiculous claims you've been making.

 

LOL, if that's directed at me, then yes, I know that.

I am drawing distinctions between the Bible and true fairy tales. the Bible is more important and contains more truths than any fairy tale, even if it's metaphor or allegory. It is the "how-to" manual for people of substance who do good in the world.

 

I was not replying to you.

 

One might have said so instead of acting like a Biblical illiterate. For me, trying to guess what atheists "think" is exhausting, they come up with all kinds of ridiculous crap that I don't feel like trying to decode.

 

You knew what i meant. The context was clear from the start. And instead of meeting my point directly, you have decided instead to run from it.

 

This is why you can't talk to atheists - they ask you a question, and when you tell them, they want to tell you what you really believe. Happens all the time.

 

I didn't tell you what you believe. You won't even argue your beliefs. You knew my point -- everyone knew my point -- but you decided to put on a song and dance instead of meeting it.

 

It's your beliefs I'm not going to argue, my beliefs I can argue just fine.

 

Apprently not. You believe exactly what i described. Yet you met this with a chest puffing display instead of owning it. It's all there for everyone to see.

 

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. It's there for everyone to see.

 

You argue your beliefs so well haha

 

That is a terrifying thought. It is an ancient book with horrible, harmful and outdated answers. It is a how to book on how to do good in the world only in so much as a how to book on medicine includes cracking open skulls to let out the evil spirits and putting witches to death to cure your hexes.

 

It'll be okay.

 

I'm bored concerned about Biden's statements regarding religious people.

I can disagree with them about homosexuality, I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with it. But someone believing that there is is not a violation of someone else's rights. Having thoughts does not violate people's rights. It's only when they act on it.

There are plenty of Christians that are open and inviting toward homosexuals and I think that's a good thing. So I think it would be better for him to highlight that and point out how good that is rather than attack Christian's who he disagrees with. If they in fact violate someone's rights I don't care if it's because they're homosexual or what then they should be punished.

He talks a lot about unity and then fanning these flames of hatred in the next breath this isn't how you get unity. we don't focus on our differences and how the people that are different than us are bad we focus on our similarities. And how most people are like us they just might have a slightly different view of things.

 

It seems most people don't take the Bible literally and they just kind of pick and choose what parts of it are literal and what parts of it are figurative.

 

Of course, and well they should. Thank goodness they do so. The world is a better place, because they do.

 

Well I don't know why anybody's talking about people taking the Bible literally we don't live in the dark ages. This is the post Renaissance world. I don't even think the westboro Baptist Church with their inbreeding and flipper children want the Bible taken literally.

They just provoke people at funerals so the people at the funeral then assault the westboro Baptist Church members and they can sue and that's how they paid their bills.

The only religious group that I thinks a problem is the NIFB and largely they are harmless.

 

It almost seems as if there is a direct correlation between less biblical fundamentalism and better morals and ethics...

 

No not necessarily, people can be biblical fundamentalists and have very good morals. I think this is a problem of painting with too broad of a brush.

The NIFB are certainly biblical fundamentalists, but I'm thinking because of their harping on homosexuality and particular that somewhere in there there's a pastor that's either gay or had a gay parent or a gay child and is simply reacting to it poorly.

They were a bit of a flash in the pan sort of a 2015 meme and nobody really thought about him after that. I would consider them more of an edge Lord than an actual religious group.

 

I.... doubt that very much.

...aaaaand they already failed the moral and ethical tests of the 21st century. Because of their iron aged handbook. Got anyone else? Any other fundies with good morals?

 

then I would have to assume that you're probably rather bigoted.

If nobody can have morals unless they agree with you about religion then that's a proprietary claim on morality the and you're no different than any other fundamentalist

I didn't say they had good morals I said they were edge Lords. They say provocative things to be provocative.

 

You would assume correctly, if your assumption is that i will assume fundamental bible nuts will have stunted, poor morality and ethics. Otherwise, you assume too much.

 

For those that would take it literally I would point out that Sharia law has it's foundations firmly in the old Testament.
Genocide, infanticide, incest all accepted in the Old Testament.
Rape, prostituting your wife, OKAY.
Mass murder, slavery, just do it.
On and on it went.
The argument that Jesus said that not one Jewish law was changed by him is wrong. When he stopped the stoning of the woman he was in violation of Jewish law. What Jesus didn't change were God's laws as in the 10 commandments if you are a believer. The other laws were man's laws with God as the enforcer.
Why no pork or shellfish? Because peopled died when they were not cooked properly so man made them taboo.
Why no work on the Sabbath, an arbitrarily chosen day? To force the rulers to give people a rest.
Why should man not lay with a man? Because they were killing each other so fast in wars back then they needed every man repopulating the armies not hanging with their bros.
Why could men have multiple wives? See above.
Why couldn't women have multiple husbands? See above.
There is no law made by man that wasn't a response to their environment.
Just as laws today are except they tend to not use fear of a deity to enforce them.