Libyan rebels move into Tripoli...

I am against war.. because I always see it as a failure of diplomacy...I raised cain before we went into Iraq, but I am proud of the US and NATO on this one.

We had a far better chance of negotiating with Saddam Hussein than we did with Khadafi.

Assad in Syria is watching and I pray he is ready to get down to serious reforms.

Syria is pivotal to the ME.. because they are aligned with Iran and support both HAMAS and Hezbollah which have become pariahs in the responsible Arab world.

Look at who presently stands for peace and responsible diplomacy in the ME today..

 

We had a far better chance of negotiating with Saddam Hussein than we did with Khadafi.

That's why someone else, like the Russians were mediating and had real breakthroughs.

 

I know.. Bush was a d*mned dummy.. a gunslinger.

 

You mean the United States and the CIA have been fighting Quadaffi.

Read up on CIA's using the ordinary people as a template to develop their Carnivore and Magic Lantern hacking software tools back in 2001/2.

 

See any resemblance to Libya and the staged Iran protests hosted by Anderson Cooper on CNN?

They're both attempts to fund phony democracy and install U.S. puppets.

 

Khadafi had WMD chemical/biological weapons...Who has them now?

 

Apparently he still does. I just listened to an interview with a US defense analyst (BBC Radio 4, 1.00pm GMT news), who is adamant that, having met Gadaffi several times, he won't go quietly. I fervently hope he won't resort to scorched earth but I'm not optimistic.

 

The rebels have taken Khadafi's compound.. and Khadafi is missing.

In a radio speech Khadafi is calling for his people to rise up and kill the "rats" in the city of Tripoli..

I think at this point most of the loyalists have deserted him.

 

I heard somewhere that the rebels had the chemical stuff secured. Unconfirmed though.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing moron. The United States and Israel have them. The same two countries whining the loudest.

Now the USA is kinda close to me but I must admit they deserve to get nuked.... Im sorry but its the truth. They have killed over 500,000 civilians in ten years.

 

...and all in the name of freedom and democracy. I suppose death is the ultimate freedom. Personally I'd rather die on my own terms rather than have that 'freedom' imposed on me by a country which thinks it knows what is in my best interests. Imposing democracy on a nation is counter to everything democracy stands for, and the epitome of hypocrisy.

 

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201182511546451332.html

 

And so? Just go on your propaganda...

 

We should have done that with Iraq, but we didn't.

 

You are the voice of USA? If you are the voice of USA just proove it.

 

What is that supposed to mean?

Look, what happened in Iraq is that we overthrew the government, but we didn't take the oil. Their market has been opened up to any corporations that wanted a piece. That includes corporations outside of the U.S. and even outside of the West.

 

How wonderfull the oil is flowing and it only took trillions of our dollars, thousands of our finest military men who are dead or disabled, created a lot of hatred for Amereica, and over 1/2 million innocent civilians lives to get it. This is business. But never drill our own oil because where would we get all the new war movies?

 

I didn't say I supported the invasion.

It was stupid as hell. I'm just saying that we're not as Machiavellian about it as we should be.

We halfassed the Iraq War, which is the worst of both worlds. We earned the scorn of the world, ran up massive debts, and yet still didn't gain much from it economically.

Foreign policy should be handled like the following:

Stay out of war if at all possible, but if you do engage in it, don't pull any punches and exploit whatever economic opportunities are available.

This halfway bull(*)(*)(*)(*) doesn't work, and people already assume everything we do is for nefarious purposes. You can't really win "hearts and minds" in a world as cynical as this one.

It's either stay out, or take no prisoners.

 

That's the thing, its not democracy they (the U.S and UN) is trying to impose. They simply want to replace someone else that is far worse than he is, but is still willing to do what he is told to do.

 

We should have continued shock and awe until occupation of the whole country could be accomplished. Basically take it over and seize the oil. Turn it into an American satellite. It could have been like an Oasis in the desert that is the middle east.

 

What we do know is how desperate the corporate-financier elite are and how absolute their control is over the mainstream media. Such a large, wide scale disinformation campaign is only possible if each news agency, from AP, Reuters, BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, New York Times, CNN, Al Jazeera and others, are completely compromised by corporate-financier interests. The following lists show that indeed many of these "news agencies" share consortium memberships with some of the largest corporate-financier interests on earth presenting an immense conflict of interest obviously producing astronomically duplicitous improprieties.

Council on Foreign Relations
Chatham House (Major Corporate Members)
Chatham House (Corporate Members)
Chatham House (Corporate Partners)
Brookings Institution (page 20 of Annual Report)

 

Iraqi production is not up to prewar levels yet...

What is business.. there aren't any US oil companies in Iraq.

 

You forget Obama isn't into American business he wants to protect the businesses of his NATO friends. After all he is the chairman of the UN Security council and can't let the conflict of interest by being President of the United States get in the way of his first loyalty. Long live the King.

 

So you didn't know that HESS, Marathon, Occidental are working in Libya.

Also ConocoPhillips, Boeing, BP America, Caterpillar, Chevron USA, Fluor, Halliburton, Hess, Raytheon.