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Life after the far right is gone

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Channe, Apr 20, 2014.

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  1. domer76

    domer76 New Member

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    Of course your no pal of mine either. It was used derogatorily. That must have gone over your head.

    Let's go over the hate thing again, because you also failed to comprehend that comment, even though I thought I made it simple. Maybe not simple enough. Unlike many conservatives, especially the religious right I see on many threads, I don't accuse anyone of hate. That seems to be the domain of the right these days. I haven't conjured that emotion in myself and it's foreign to me. I don't know what that feeling is or what it would feel like.

    You wished to invoke the emotion of hate when it comes to your god. To me, that idea is nothing more than a child's fable. Child's mentality. Nothing there to hate.

    Thank you for your continued interest, pal.
     
    domer76, Apr 22, 2014
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  2. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Obviously you didn't read the whole thing then.
    Now are you going to answer the question, or not?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  3. domer76

    domer76 New Member

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    Hardly. What this progressive wishes for is equal treatment under the law for everyone. That is at odds with the extremists in today's conservative movement. Those who are trying to drive the Republican agenda. I don't wish to identify with that kind of mentality.
     
    domer76, Apr 22, 2014
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  4. domer76

    domer76 New Member

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    Well, pal. I was born and raised in Idaho. Fifth generation. I love it, too. I just have disdain for who runs it. Much like your juvenile and trite "if you don't like it, move" garbage. Are you in third grade?
     
    domer76, Apr 22, 2014
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  5. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    you have to attempt to prove it correct first. and again there is nothing in the article that says anything about general consciousness.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  6. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Again, if one actually bothers to read the study, then it can't be missed.
    If you refuse to answer the question in whole, then how about in part?
    Do you have any evidence refuting the study's claim that pain perception pathways are not present prior to 20 weeks?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  7. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    i didnt claim pain perception wasn't present prior to 20 weeks.
    and again this study doesnt prove or even claim there is no mental life prior to 20 weeks.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  8. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    And I didn't say you did. Simply asking you a question here...seems like it shouldn't be all that hard to answer.
    Do you have any evidence refuting the study's claim that pain perception pathways are not present prior to 20 weeks? Yes or No?

    Again, if one actually bothers to read the study, it clearly shows that neither pain perception nor consciousness functionality is present prior to 20 weeks.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  9. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    i see no reason to prove a point im not trying to make.

    just because a brain isnt conscious that doesnt mean there is no brain function or life.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  10. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    1. I'm not asking you to prove a point, but to simply answer a question. Do you have any such evidence, or not?
    2. Are you then contending that the answer to that question proves some point which goes against your position??

    And???? No one here seems to be claiming anything otherwise.

    Also, as far as the "life" part goes,...as I mentioned a few posts back,

    1. Life starts prior to conception.
    2. Human Life (utilizing human DNA) starts prior to conception.
    3. One might say that, in comparison to a sperm or egg cell, a zygote has a complete set of DNA,
    but why exactly should we have any more concern for such a cell than we do for the average skin cell which meets the same criteria?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  11. guttermouth

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    its irrelevant to my position so you can stop asking.

    you claimed mental life begins after the 20th week. you can pretend you didnt but we both know you did. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=352063&p=1063811312#post1063811312
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  12. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    SCHOPENHAUER'S 38 STRATAGEMS:
    18. If your opponent has taken up a line of argument that will end in your defeat, you must not allow him or her to carry it to its conclusion.
    Interrupt the dispute, break it off altogether, or lead the opponent to a different subject.
    22. If your opponent asks you to admit something from which the point in dispute will immediately follow, you must refuse to do so,...​

    What is your position, anyway?

    Yes I did. And????

    Now why would I do that?

    So do you agree with the post in that link?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  13. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    you claimed that mental life begins after week 20 and your link doesnt prove it so explain what relevance it has.
    and you havent proved it
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  14. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eventually the social conservatives will comprise a minority within their own party, and socially liberal, fiscally conservative Republicans will take over. When will this happen? Who knows.
     
    Steady Pie, Apr 22, 2014
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  15. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    What do you mean I can't prove it? Are you suggesting the study results are wrong? Do you have any evidence of this?

    Again, if one actually bothers to read the study,
    it clearly shows that structures necessary for pain perception and consciousness are not present prior to 20 weeks.
    What about that do you not understand???

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  16. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    You claimed mental life starts after week 20 and your study doesn't prove it. What about that do you not understand???
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  17. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Again, as I keep saying, if you actually bother to read the study,
    it clearly shows that structures necessary for pain perception and consciousness are not present prior to 20 weeks.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  18. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    Again consciousness does not equal mental life. If I knock you unconscious does this mean you have no mental life? No it doesn't.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  19. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Mental life was defined a few pages back as involving consciousness.
    If you for some reason use a different definition for mental life, then you'd do well to let us all know what that definition is.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  20. guttermouth

    guttermouth Banned

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    I don't care who defined what a few pages back, you don't have to be conscious to have mental life.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    If you for some reason use a different definition for mental life, then you'd do well to let us all know what that definition is.
    What is your definition for mental life?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  22. guttermouth

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    First you said mental life, then you started talking about consciousness. You're the one changing your definition, not me.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  23. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    What? Where did I change the definition? It's been the same the whole time. It sounded to me like you didn't agree with the definition.
    Well do you? Or don't you? And if you don't, then what definition do you use? C'mon, these are simple questions here.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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  24. guttermouth

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    No one previously used consciousness to define mental life.
     
    guttermouth, Apr 22, 2014
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  25. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    It was defined right here. Now are you going to answer the question?
    Do you agree with that definition? And if you don't, then what definition do you use?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Apr 22, 2014
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