like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization

Haha. Excellent point. If these lunatics can't manage our nation, states, and cities properly when we are taxed at apprx 35% then they won't do any better for us at 50 or 75%. The only people who will live better is the government.

And that wouldn't last long either as most Americans at that point will have started asking more questions are rebelling so their increased tax rate would be short lived.

 

Only of you want to believe a judge who upheld forced sterilization on the basis that the State's interest in genetically purifying the race outweighed the individual's right to her own body.

 

The Government is only the enemy of the uneducated. It's what separates third world country's from developed country's. The more power you give to the ignorant, the more ignorant society becomes.

Let the cohesive power of our most intelligent individuals be used to create society rather than relying on tons of people with armadillo helmets who think just "believing" something makes it true.

Pay your taxes, you'll live!

 

This statement is shamefully ignorant of history. Many Governments have been guilty of genocide - obviously.

All government is not equal.

With ideologies such as yours, it is no wonder that we're in such economic trouble in the US.

 

You have come up with no logic whatsoever. Only continued simpering. Show me some logic.

 

This isn't a "kind of" pregnant question. You either made it up or you didn't (you did; you will not be able to provide any evidence that private charity cannot handle any human need at this point; in fact: many charities are now redundant). If you didn't, you'll be able to provide credible evidence of private charity being unable to account for need.

And I'm asserting that there are literally thousands of charities which do that already, and they do it despite the giant sucking sound Government makes from the pockets of taxpayers that deprive these charities of even more funding.

You don't think it matters that a Government program never goes away, regardless how useful or helpful it is???



OUR GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING/WASTING FAR TOO MUCH MONEY!

That premise is in question. There should be no Federal Department of Education. We do not require that bureaucracy. IMO, we should not have public education at all; I offer as evidence just how expensive it has become, and how badly it has failed.

Why are you being intentionally obtuse? You should have to. You support robbing from people to fund your pet BS projects, most of which fail badly and waste billions of tax dollars, robbing the very engine which provides the civilization you so badly desire.

Which makes them about the most immature deleterious people on the planet.

Just like Greece. And there you sit, defending such anarchistic acts. What puerile actions, these immature *******s engage in. These nasty, useless dregs of society. Pay your own way, you pathetic imbeciles - that's what I say.

What doesn't look good? That taking huge percentages of productive people's incomes isn't in fact creating that lusciuos Utopia that you so desperately seek?

You aren't even giving the private sector a chance to provide for needs as society sees fit.

And I see you didn't choose to name that society. I don't suppose you have plenty of debt, do you? I don't suppose your society faces the same issues that a large society does, right?

Do you pay higher taxes? Or do you just get to sponge off of other people?

 

What I have posted is eminently logical. You refuse to listen or understand, as I knew you would.

You're the one simpering. You need my taxes. I don't need you.

 

Do the north Koreans have buyers remorse?

 

Holmes was on the public dime at the time...Too often folk today confuse that 'civilization' with being governed and...

Proudon

 

It does not need the pretense of 'taxation'...they do their stealing out in the open and call it what it is.

 

yes but the government has stepped right in and is doing even more than the families are , it should be the other way around

 

When the government said, "Here, let me do that," some families quit taking care of their siblings and their children and their cousins. Nope, let Uncle Sam do it. Now people, like President Obama, covet their millions while the government takes care of his beloved auntie. Ah, liberal generosity in action.

 

There is no such entity as 'civilization', only a collection of individuals to whom you are sharing a country. This does mean that those individuals interact with and get services from require payments, and vice versa. However, individuals that do not interact with you nor provide you services should not get your money out of some concept that they are owed it through 'civilization'.

 

Okay, you may have a point.

Fine, but that doesn't answer the question of how to determine a proper level of taxation.

I'd love to hear an alternative to taxation. I keep putting it out there, waiting for someone to come up with an idea, but so far nobody has. It's always just, "Taxes are wrong!" with no suggestion of how to manage things without them.

 

Civilization means peaceful interaction, doesn't it? I mean, literally?

The quote from the OP is basically saying that by paying taxes, we have more peaceful interactions.

 

While some tax dollars are spent irresponsibly, we all take for granted a lot of the ways tax money is spent to make our lives a lot easier.

 

There's only so much families can do. My dad needs medicine that I can't afford -- most people can't afford it, actually. Without government programs to help with his pain meds, he's in serious trouble. And I'm rather fond of my dad, I'd prefer that he not live a short life of constant, excruciating agony.

I do understand the philosophical objection to taxes. But practically speaking? I see no logical alternative.

 

If he said it, it suggests Oliver Wendell Holmes didn't understand the term "correlation."

 

That is my opinion as to why the left gives so much less in charity...government is to do that giving stuff, with other folks money.

 

yep!

and people do not fight them because it costs so much and the whole system is corrupt. Its all run on presumption and it was set up to be a trial by jury NOT JUDGE for everything! Hell they run em through like cattle.

 

the price of everything goes sky high when the gub sticks their nose in it. 100 years ago it was not that expensive.

 

Oliver Wendell Holmes lived off a government paycheck, so his opinion on taxes is tainted with self-interest.

 

you obviously have no knowledge of the history of social welfare

I have seen government programmes changingfrequently - so I don't know why you think they don't.

which isn't what I was talking about

granted in the US you do things badly by international comparisons, but the failure of state funded education appears to be more marked than in other countries, which also use taxpayer funds to provide public education

you need a dictionary

why are you so angry?

you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. the private sector does just fine in many countries that have higher tax rates.

Australia. private debt levels are high if that is what you mean. we have a lot of issues that you do.

being "large" isn't the reason you don't manage.

actually I do.

My guess is that I pay higher taxes than you do.

 

I think you're going about this the wrong way. Taxation levels should not be determined before costs are. We cut all the junk that we've been wasting money on - to the bone - and then we divide the bill by the taxpayers via a flat tax that assures a 10% surplus.

That surplus accumulates interest in the names of the taxpayers, and pays dividends, and/or is used for wars or other emergencies as they become necessary.

My tolerance level for taxes is around 15% for that reason. To expect more than that means that Government is doing for more than it should.

 

hahahaha you sure got him there! Excellent.