Lithuania Writes Guerilla Manual For Russian Invasion

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  1. cerberus

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    WTF are you talking about?
     
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    I'm talking about?

    Man, you quoted me and not I quoted you as you can see! So WTF are YOU talking about with your post answer to me as shown ... this is the correct question ... and NOT a "WTF are I'm talking about" please!
     
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    No insults. This is a real fact.
     
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    Sure ... and then it is fact that Russians are only alcohol ill, at noon from Vodka still drunken people who have drunken away their brain, eh?

    Not my insulting of Russians, but the other side which you are blaming to be soft brainers are telling this about Russians. Maybe then same sort of fact for you?

    P.S.
    And even it is more likely to win in Lotto as that you will agree to this ... even if you do so, it will be of course a Western Guilt too, eh?
     
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    You do not want to know the truth. Therefore, all who are telling you the truth - do you think it your enemy....But it is not surprising .... In nature, it occurs... for example Ostriches bury their heads in the sand.

    P/S:
    "Возлюбленные русские,"?... I like .... It is necessary to oblige Western politicians that way to begin an appeal to the Russian.
     
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    Ehm ...

    the question is more if YOU are interested in any sort of truth and not only interested to spread around your BS Propaganda which you believe to sell as truth ... and to fight anything and anyone who is not following your point of view as your enemy!

    I did and do never tell that the so called "West" is the paradise on earth, nor do I defend the Western sort of democracy as being perfect or something like this, nor do I defend the EU, NATO, USA etc. as the best ... NO! I do attack them too, but not only them, I attack bad things on other side too and I'm not such one sided blinded to sell Propaganda BS as only truth and ignore the other side as irrelevant like you!

    One example?

    As you know, the West made embargo against Russian because their Forces because occupation of Crimea which was / is territory of Ukraine - pure fact with out your or anyone others propaganda and any reasons and explaining why told now! Do you agree to this pure fact?

    I think you will do, even the word occupation will not be liked by you and maybe replaced with another word... so now the point:

    Do I agree with "the West" that the embargo and blaming of Russia out of this is OK? No ... I never did! For me it is OK and explainable that Russia made it! And why?
    because I looked on facts and not on any BS Propaganda of West or Russia!
     
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    "Drunk Russian" - a myth of Western propaganda. As the bears who walk the streets of Moscow. Everyone knows that in Europe drink more. Suffice it to recall such "Oktoberfest".
    But dementia wild Baltic tribes - it's a fact. Name at least one of the great scientist, philosopher, composer (Bach or Tchaikovsky level) or writer (Dostoevsky or Goethe's level (by the way Baltic tribes especially zealously burned the book Goethe))
    Therefore, there is no insult. It is a fact. If you write that the savages in the delta of the Amazon - primitive tribes, it is not an insult. Because it's a fact.
     
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    Right the reaction I expected from you with nearly 1:1 the word and content I thought for what is coming.... but OK:

    Latvia:
    Michail Tal – born 1936 … famous chess world champion
    Mark Rothko – born 1903 … Artist / painter
    Sergei Eisenstein – born 1898 … I think particularly you know him well!
    Wilhelm Ostwald - born 1953 … won Noble Price in Chemistry 1909
    Jakob Lenz – born 1751 … Writer

    Estonia:
    Arvo Paert – born 1935 … composer
    Jaan Kross – born 1920 … writer
    Paul Keres – born 1916 … famous chess world champion
    Jakob Johann von Uexkuell – born 1864 … Biologist, zoologist and philosopher
    Karl Ernst von Baer – born 1792 … Natural scientist, anatomist and zoologist, who, among other things, discovered the human egg
    Adam Johann von Kruzenshtern – born 1770 … famous Admiral of Russian Navy! Ironically, the famous sailing school ship of Russian navy today is named after him, an Estonian!

    Lithuania:
    Aaron Klug – born 1926 … won Noble Price for Chemistry on 1982
    Czeslaw Milosz – born 1911 …. Poet and won Noble Price for Literature 1980
    Hermann Minkowski – born 1864 … Mathematician and physicist, who founded the theory of geometric numbers


    Enough for you? All born in Baltics!
     
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    I explain for the hundredth time.

    1. Crimea was an autonomous region within Ukraine.
    2. According to the Constitution of Ukraine and international law, the Crimea has the right to hold a referendum on secession from Ukraine. (Consent of the central authorities of Ukraine to hold a referendum is not required)
    3. According to a referendum, Crimea withdrew from the Ukraine. According to all international requirements.
    4. According to the international requirements, the Crimea has the right to hold a referendum on joining the composition of any state. Crimea voted for joining Russia.
    5. Russia, according to all international laws, had the right to take any region into Russia. Thus, Crimea became part of Russia.

    Whether you like it or not - it does not matter. You can shout about the mythical occupation or beat his chest - it will not change anything. Maybe you've been paying attention to the fact that Western politicians only cry. But no one can prove a violation of international law or the fact of occupation.

    I forgot to add. In Ukraine, it was a coup d'etat. Under international law, any region, who do not recognize a coup d'etat, has the right to withdraw from the country.
     
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    You specifically write nonsense?

    Michail Tal - Jew.
    Jakob Johann von Uexkuell - German
    Adam Johann von Kruzenshtern - German
    Karl Ernst von Baer - German
    Aaron Klug - half-German half-Jew
    Sergei Eisenstein - 1\3 - Russian, 2 \ 3 - Jew
    Hermann Minkowski - Jew
    ....and so on.

    Artists, athletes, singers, etc. - not to offer .... For example, in the circus bears can ride a motorcycle.
    And I assure you, any of the Masai tribe - archery and spear throwing better than professor University of Berlin. But it does not mean the overall development higher. Is not it?

    But the book Goethe savages burned with great pleasure. How to find edible worms, or catch a fish with his bare hands - that savages are also much more experienced.

    If they were born in the Baltic States - it does not mean that they are of Representatives wild Baltic tribes. If you take to the moon - you do not cease to be a German. Is not it?
     
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    Simple question ... has Chechnya same rights in your opinion? Will be at least the same thing because same right for all, eh?

    Aside this ... you have a very strange rating of several international laws too, as well the so called referendum will then include that minorities in Crimea who won't become part of Russia as Tatars, can make their own referendum about?

    P.S.
    And in all your writing you oversee one important point of it: I do agree that Crimea is becoming part of Russia, eh? So why this blaming on me with words "if I like it or not ..."! :roll:
     
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    And you forgot in your pamphlet one point: Who made out of the Russian tribes a more cultural civilization and gave them even the name "Roccia"?
    And who turned the Russians out of Medieval Age into modern and toughed them all these things you name at least?

    If you find the answer open minded, it will make your rating and post superfluous...
     
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    Sweden! :cool::cool::cool:

    Sweden gave name to Russia. 'Russia' comes from 'roslag', which kind of means 'row-league' iirc. It was the name for rowing crews. So, Russia was named after the swedish vikings who ruled it. The swedish name for russia was gårdarike, meaning 'town-realm'. The russian dynasty of rurikovich was founded by swedish viking rörik, (his name means 'famous ruler').

    Ruskies, we really shouldn't have such strained relations.. we are kin, kind of.. we have long history together. Current troubles we have are unnecessary. a shame really.
     
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    Compare Chechnya and the Crimea - is not correct. Crimea has a stand-alone status. Chechnya has no autonomous status .... But March 25, 2003 in Chechnya - held a referendum on the status of Chechnya. More than 90% (I do not remember if I'm not mistaken 95.5% -. "For") Chechens voted for keeping Chechnya within Russia.

    When turnout of 83.1%, for joining Russia has voted 93% of the Crimean population. Including the Crimean Tatars.
    The Crimean Tatars have no autonomous entity. They reside in the territory of Russian Crimea.

    If several people will hold a referendum for secession of Germany - this is nonsense. Is not it? To do this, there is international law.
     
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    All you have Russian - from God. In Europe civilization came from Russia. Even the white color Europeans have received because of the Russian people came and brought the white man's genes. In this forum there is a topic about this. You can find it in the archive.

    On the territory of Russia were the city, but at this time the Europeans leaping on the trees.

    For example the city of Arkaim. Scientists have found that he is about 4800 years old, it has a couple of centuries older than the oldest Egyptian pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara. And Homer's legendary Troy (1300 -... 1200 BCE) suitable Arkaim unless granddaughter.
     
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    And I don't like the.. whatever the mentality you display is called. Chauvinism? Good that you aknowledge you misspoke... As I have said, european countries are different. Some, like Sweden, have actually sacrificed soldiers to fight in your wars, without even being "under US protection". Same goes for eastern european countries like Estonia, who has sacrificed lives for you, but you have not given any in return, and it is those you speak of throwing to the wolves. So, what you write can be really offensive in light of that...
    Is it not obvious that the EU doesn't approve of what Russia has been doing in Ukraine?
    whose economy is it that is dying? Europe is doing fine... it's Russia who will soon go bankrupt.
    ам и доинг а гоод йоб ас а просекутор? :angel:
     
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    Yes, and we appreciate your sacrifices. It's also why the US should leave NATO. We don't need other countries to fight our battles unless we're in a world war and everyone needs to ban together against someone.
     
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    Wanting to leave NATO is a perfectly valid opinion. But until you do... do not denigrate the sacrifices of your friends and allies.
     
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    I can still voice my concerns regarding our allies. I don't have to wait until we leave NATO. If I dislike a country, and they want to go to war with another country, I can certainly voice my disapproval. I don't just have to agree with them because they're in NATO.
     
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    Sorry ... but this is only nonsense and twisting of truth and facts from your side! if you read the contents of archives correctly, then you will not write such nonsense... but forget it, who does not accept and understand and is willing to open his brain for things which do not fit for the Propaganda BS inside ... as for example that Roccia is a Viking Word ... and that when in rest of Europe civilization was, Russia was before Peter the great in Medieval Age living and you ignore this or even disputing this FACT as propaganda as usual ... then you are only ignorant.

    And only to take the first words only show the BS you a blabbering ... proofed even by Russian Scientists. You are really hardcore man ... :roll:
     
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    I understand that you want to have common roots with the Russian. But the reality is different.

    The only source of knowledge about Rurik - the Old Russian chronicles. Rurik name first time is mentioned in the "Life of St. Prince Vladimir", written presumably about 1070 a monk Jacob. In "The Life," said: "All autocrat Russian land - Vladimir, the grandson of the Olga, and great-grandson of Rurik."
    The fact that Rurik came from Scandinavia - it is a myth of Western historians. This myth began to circulate Danish scientist Vilhelm Thomsen. His desire to join to great people understand. But the reality is different.
    Recently, scientists conducted DNA studies and found that Rurik was a Slav. They investigated haplogroup different nations (the Swedes, Norwegians, Danes ... northern Slavs.)

    But even you can understand without these scientists, that the Swedes - is another nation. For example, I can not even imagine that the migrants in Russia will behave as well as in Sweden.
     
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    it's not about that. it's the manner you do it. Doing it disrespectfully, and being factually wrong... is not good. For example, you say "europe" whines about russia. Firstly, it is not "europe" but most eastern european countries. Secondly, it is hardly unnecessary "whine" when they voice their concerns about russian aggression, considering that these countries were occupied by the USSR just a few decades ago. Thirdly, these are the countries which have given lives for you, but you have given none for them, so it is quite (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-ish to dismiss their legitimate concerns as you do.

    Remember that: europe is many countries. The big countries: germany, italy, france, spain.. They generally do not care much about what russia does. They are not calling for tough sanctions (in fact, the US leads that). It is the eastern countries who are most worried, the same countries which, in terms of lives sacrificed, YOU are in debt to. They have given lives to help you, in return for mutual obligations to protect. When you were attacked, they helped, but as soon as there is a threat to them, you want to abandon them?? There is no comming around the fact that what you are proposing is inherently ********-ish behaviour.
     
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    I am not suggesting that slavs and germanics are closely related. I am saying that we are culturally related, going back to the viking age, when vikings set themselves up as the ruling class in russian culture.
     
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    Thus, the "Rus" - toponymic term that refers to the territory inhabited by Russian.
    The origin of the word "Russian" from the Norman language - it's just one of the assumptions.
    There are different theories. For example there is version of the origin of the word "Russian" - Iran. Its author - scientist, thinker and social activist Vladimir Vernadsky - claimed that the word roots go back to Iran "ruhs" (or "rohs"), which means "light, white."
    That is very likely, because Proto Slavs very long lived side by side with the Iranian tribes (Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans) in the south of modern Russia - in the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea region. Dark-haired and dark-skinned Iranians could easily nickname of its neighbors in the main feature of the - blond hair, eyes and skin.

    Also on the outside grounds can Byzantines nickname for Russian. Arab traveler IX-X centuries, Al-Masudi mentions in his notes on the tribe, which the Byzantines called "Rusy", which means " red."

    There were theories and about the origin of the age-old Russian "Russian." So an Austrian baron, and at the same time a writer and historian Sigismund von Herberstein, who lived in the XV-XVI centuries, believed that Russia got its name from a very ancient city close to Veliky Novgorod - "Russ". The same version adhered historian Vasily Tatishchev, who found the source of the Russian state in the "Old Russа".

    There are many theories of the origin of the word "Russian" and "Rus"
     
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    Oh spare me. How many lives did we give for you in the 1940's?
     

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