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Actually, you have not heard all of this stuff before. Take free trade. Up until this election cycle, if you asked a politician running for office, about our jobs, lost to slave labor, the exploitation of the poor, they had a patented answer, as Obama gave in Michigan, when asked in 07...."forget about it, jobs are not coming back to America".... And so, free trade was off the table, not only from the oligarch puppets in DC, but from MSM including FOX. No one in the media would question it, for it was not to be talked about, as if the Great God Almighty Himself, has sent free trade down, on the backs of angels, to give to America. When in fact, it was a choice, a scheme of powerful elites and the GOP, with Bush Sr, overseeing it, just a continuation of 1920s GOP Neoliberalism, that is designed to send income and wealth to the top few, so that they might increase the size of their pile of gold.


And so, you did hear something new, and Sanders is driving this, and Clinton had to move towards Sanders, and do a flip flop. Apparently, you have not kept up with what politicians DO NOT talk about, til this cycle.

Bernie Sanders is trying to save capitalism, once again, from the excesses, caused by the sociopathic greed of our elites. FDR saved it, and with the GOP bringing back what crashed our economy and 1929, Neoliberalism, someone has to step forward and once again save the working and middle class from GOP neoliberalism, which up until this cycle, the democratic party has embraced along with the GOP. Of course, the dems are still embracing it, which is why they are beginning to worry, given that if Sanders pulls out the people to vote, that have given up, he will win in a landslide. And this isn't what the party, that used to represent the common man, wants. They are a part of the oligarchy now, and losing their billionaire campaign donations, isn't something they want to do, by just representing the dirtied common rabble masses.

 

Bwahahaha....some conservatives keep claiming libs like free stuff.......here he is posting on this forum and has contributed zilch to this forum...to maintain it.....so I guess he likes free stuff himself....that's called hypocrisy.

 

try to follow the conversation

show me a large scale, deadly war, recently started by democrats, that cost multi-trillions of dollars

 

Strawmans and backtrackings. I never said any of that which is why im not answering you. It unrelated to the original subject which was and is, democrats were for iraq before and after bush went into office.

instead of admitting this you change to an unrelated subject with a dumb question that has nothing to do with the above. YOU FOLLOW the conversation.

 

of course you can't show me, you were wrong

 

Wrong about what the dems were for iraq before bush and im not the only one who told you that in this thread. Be honest or continue the acting of a child.

 

democrats didn't invade iraq, a republican administration did

 

But the dems were for it before they came in. What info do we have that proves it wasn't the dems that lied to Bush? Such a thing is impossible to know without releasing ay classified info, if it exists, that explains the situation. Pointless.

 

they didn't do it, the bush administration did it

 

Donation is voluntary.

Make taxes which sustain the entitlement class voluntary and you'll hear nothing more on the matter from me.

Will you vote for that?

 

But who do we know who lied ask you SAID before? Did Bush lie or did they lie?

 

bush lied

 

link to that

 

http://theweek.com/articles/555921/george-w-bush-didnt-just-lie-about-iraq-war-what-did-much-worse

 

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mostert/040816

I need solid proof.

 

you need to get a grip on reality

 

So gave in already eh. My source is more reliable, I need you to show me actual evidence instead of being a child going lalal.

 

your argument has already been refuted

and the democratic debate easily demonstrated their superiority

they discussed real issues that americans are interested in, as opposed to the gop farce

hillary has become the leading fundraiser of all the candidates

which show how much support she has

 

No it hasn't I refuted your argument with a better link and there are more people in this threat pointing out what I did then you.

The GOP also discussed issues, if you're going to pretend the filler in between stretched all the way from 0 to 3 hours then you're full of crap and in denial. Regardless of whether you liked the party they discussed numerous issues. They also addressed BLM in 4 seconds just like a bunch of libs criticized the GOP from doing.

Clinton is the leading fundraiser because Mr.money bags gave her a ton of cash. Carson is only 8 milion below her and he had nothing but the random guy down the street. You think she has SUPPORT legitimately? lololololol

 

you didn't refute anything you made excuses for bush

most of them looked like foolish children

carson is a joke, he's never going to be president

 

Most of us, if we like a Forum are willing to contribute to keep it going. Obviously you don't care, why you don't contribute, but then claim that "libs" like free stuff, when in reality, you take free stuff wherever you can get it and conveniently find an excuse why you don't have to.

Why should it be voluntary. Everyone benefits when all the people in our country are educated and healthy. You want to take advantage of the things that all taxpayers pay into, public roads, patent laws, police protection, someone representing your interests in government, so why should you be exempt from providing for those that unfortunately are unable to provide for themselves.

If we had a voluntary system, would you be willing to be segregated to live in a secluded area where the poor and needy on welfare live, so that those of us who contribute voluntarily don't have to worry about them sleeping on our streets, eating out of our garbage cans and our families catching and spreading deadly diseases because there won't be enough money to provide the care needed and there will be no affordable healthcare for them? Why should the ones that would volunteer not to support the poor be entitled to the benefits that those who volunteer to support enjoy?

I most certainly would not. All the free-loading conservatives, who hate taxes and only want to help the rich would be enjoying the benefits that the rest of us, who would volunteer to support, were entitled to. Conservatives don't seem to mind "corporate welfare" - so why do they hate the poor? Especially conservatives who call themselves "Christian".

 

I said taxes which sustain the entitlement class, not taxes which sustain society. Like it or not these leeching people already get a massive amount of freebies paid for by my taxes and you Dems demand more and more every day. Enough. It doesn't benefit me at all when some Obama voting gibs-me-dat gets steak and lobster, a free cell phone computer TV and broadband internet, nor does it benefit me when they get free health care. To say nothing of the illegal invaders also getting it all for free.

 

you're talking about republicans that want welfare for large corporations

 

Hmm, like GM?

Since that Obama blunder GM made $22.6 billion while taxpayers lost $10.6 billion on bailout that saved the company.

Oh and did you see how many CEOs donated to Hillary?

Shes more corporate than all other candidates on both sides combined.

So tell me more about "corporate welfare".

Get informed.

 

no, like big oil