Looking for a level-headed vegetarian to talk privately about a project

Seems PETA has an interest in my idea. Too bad Viv does not.

 

[video=youtube;HXe5JdQGb0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXe5JdQGb0Y[/video]

 

You'll perhaps find Viv has previously voluntarily worked extremely hard on "projects" with various internet "friends" who turned out to be less than honourable, less than mature and less than stable. What I'm not interested in is being shafted again by someone who lets me do all the thinking and work, while he walks off with all the financial remuneration. Not that I'm suggesting that is your plan. I'm saying that is my past experience with others and I'm not keen to repeat it.

Good luck with your project however, I wish you the very best with it and hope your film is impressionante enough to make people think and save some chickens.

 

Yes yes, if you don't give your dog meat... and vegetables are all that is available to her, she will wolf them down.

However, the alternative to meat is not of sufficient quality as yet to be accepted as a substitute by humans (at least this human) so why should the dog suffer it now?

Animals should have some rights, that is the whole point...

phhhhhhh.....hard work man. Who said animals shouldn't eat meat from other animals? It would be better if we could find a way to live without killing animals and it would be better if animals did not have to kill other animals to live, but as mentioned in the previous 20000 posts, that day has not yet dawned.

 

You do realize that plants are "living things" as well don't you? Just because an organism does not actively move around with bipedal or quadrupedal motion doesn't mean it's not living. This argument is absolutely null and void as humans, or any living organism for that matter, cannot survive without killing something else that is living. Just think of that each time you're massacring those poor, defenseless and helpless tomato and celery plants.

Also, humans are omnivores. Our teeth and anatomy have evolved to eat both forms of food, and it's completely disingenuous to say otherwise. I was going to write a huge and long post about why this is, but heck, here is a resource from a Vegetarian website detailing exactly why humans are capable of both meat and plant food consumption, and why the mantra "we were originally designed as herbivores" is completely false:

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

 

You do realise that sometimes people are tired when they post here, don't you. And that we are not writing university thesis, it's discussion and sometimes one makes an error.

Bla bla bla...

What argument? The debate was on killing animals at that point, not plants.

By the way, what do plants massacre?

And don't condescend. Seeing other living things as living things and not slaves is not an indication of weakness.

You see, I don't care. I don't care what someone else has cobbled together about their guess at the reasons for our evolution. I don't need to be told we are omnivores or herbivores. My brain tells me plants can live without killing and they can draw energy from another source, therefore we can at least supplement our resources in a non-meat way.

It's a matter of time before we crack it.

 

Actually all the hard work is already done. The proposal and outline of the film have been sent to PETA and awaiting their response. I needed someone to bounce ideas off back and forth and nothing more... I believe it takes more than one mind to tackle an issue like this. Call it an editor I was looking for. But good luck in all your endeavors- as you say, you are already in touch with several people with good ideas- I wish I had that problem.

 

What do plants massacre? Quite a bit actually, because there are a plethora of carnivorous plant species that feast on animals, insects and other plants. Read through this for a more in-depth look:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/03/carnivorous-plants/zimmer-text

Or, alternatively, take a look through this...from the Botanical Society:

http://www.botany.org/carnivorous_plants/

There are over 600 species of plants that kill, prey, and feast on the nutrients of animals, insects and other plants while they release digestive enzymes which allow them to break down protein rich food sources. So no, not all plants can live without killing. In fact, most carnivorous plants rely solely upon the nutritional benefits provided by killing other living organisms, and don't use their chlorophyll to for the purpose of photosynthesis like most other plants.

In fact, you just said, "My brain tells me plants can live without killing and they can draw energy from another source, therefore we can at least supplement our resources in a non-meat way", and what I have shown you is clearly in contradiction with what you believe to be true. Plants kill other living organisms for energy and plants also absorb the nutrients needed for life by utilizing nutrient rich biomatter such as manure. Are you really going to tell everyone that the nutritional requirements of plants should be equal to other organisms, or that because manure helps plants grow we should also consume manure ourselves? This is exactly what you are alluding to.

Regardless, I'd hate for my "science" and "facts" to get in the way of what your brain tells you.

 

Feast. Feasting plants.

Good luck then. I only debate in the real world.