Looking To Bugout In Northern Idaho.

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  1. modernpaladin

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    You will find folks who will murder you in that situation. Unless you establish yourself as 'from around there' beforehand. Then its prolly the best place to be.
     
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    I live in a town of maybe 1000 people, with miles of farmland in all directions. The nearest 'city' is 7 miles away, but 2/3 of its population are college students, and assuming most of them head for home in a collapse, it will not be a major source of spreading unrest. The next nearest city is 20 miles, and most of that is through mountainous desert and an army base. Its a large city that already has rampant crime problems, and while I expect to see some spillover here from that, it will be delayed and our sleepy little town should be able to handle itself by the time anything gets here.

    Our city water is pumped from a large local private well. There may be initial problems associated with 'who owns it', but ultimately, our town has plenty of fresh water.

    Food will be the issue (as it will everywhere). While we're surrounded by farmland, about 95% of it is used to grow hay. So it'll be at least a year (likely far more) before we have any local food sustainability.

    Most people around here hunt and if their bumper stickers are any indication, own 'military-style' weapons and think they're prepared for the apocalypse. Which means they're not, but they're more prepared than the average urbanite.

    Overall, I think this is a pretty good spot to be. The real teller will be whether we (as a town) work together or fight eachother.
     
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    Well, for myself Idaho has been my planned "bugout destination" for decades. Plentiful water, fish and game, decent growing climate, and a low population density. Add to that the relatively mild climate makes for a good location to disappear into the mountains and stay out of site until things calm down again.

    But Northern Idaho was never my plan. The winters are to extreme and the terrain to rough unless I was already settled there. My plan has always been to go to the Owyhee Mountains, near the Oregon-Nevada border. There are lots of caves and abandoned mines there, so shelter is actually pretty simple. Just throw up a few tarps as a basic airlock to keep the heat or cold out, and a simple hood with pipes to vent out smoke from a cook fire and living would be rather easy.

    Back during the gold rush era (1860s), a lot of mining was done within a short walk to rivers. Driving around Silver City it is hard to go even a mile without seeing abandoned quartz vein mines dotting the hillsides. Once a location is decided on a day or so to make the entry area of a mine livable, and you have shelter, water, food (fish), and then I can settle in for the long haul. A basic rock catch basin to help promote fish in an enlarged pond, setting up a basic farm with seeds scattered along the river front, and plenty of varmints for a pot of Perpetual stew.

    And since it is a prime location for silver and gold mining, a source of "income" when things recover enough that a barter economy starts to thrive again.
     
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    No man is an island. Really hard to defend and provide for yourself with only one person. I suggest you join a community.
     
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    I am not alone, there would be from 2-5 others with me. And I would try to connect with any others in the area for mutual support.

    But if the person has the right skills, they can survive on their own. They just need more preparation beforehand. Mountain men did it for decades, as did many prospectors. Only coming down out of the hills once a year or so to trade for things they could not provide themselves (coffee, salt, powder, etc).
     
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    Southern Idaho is taters, North Idaho is timber.
     
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    I've lived in North Idaho nearly forty years and have seen your type come and go on a regular basis. They think they will live off the land but end up living off welfare and food stamps. I knew Randy Weaver and although I was on his side when the feds did what they did Randy was a complete cull as are all these bug out survivalist that show up here with pie in the sky unrealistic expectations. They come they go and in their wake is a pile of junked cars, dilapidated trailers and trashed properties. They poach deer out of season and gut shoot elk that have the misfortune to walk by their shack they built to house their unwashed kids in tattered clothes. They annoy their neighbors with constant shooting and chicken killing dogs and seem to always run out of firewood mid winter and show up at your door asking if you can spare some. Screw them screw you and welcome to North Idaho.
     
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    A good bug outer should be physically hard, mentally tough, able to endure severe hardship & adversity, and wake up each day expecting to die. That's in any state.
     
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    Very well said!
     
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    Remember, "bug-out" is not about setting up for life. It is about getting to a safe space for a period of time until things calm down again. 1-3 months normally.

    What people like that are doing is something completely different. My plan in that kind of event is not to be setting up for life, just for a period of time until things return close enough to the norm that life can resume.

    And I have no "pie in the sky" ideals. I know life for those 1-3 months or so would be hard. I fully expect to loose around 20 pounds during that time, it is about survival, not living. And since I grew up in Boise and Donnelly, I am fairly familiar with the area. I mostly pick the Owyhees because it is more remote than Valley County, without the major pass-through traffic that would be seen along Idaho 55.

    You must also realize, I expect the only reason I would have to put such a plan into action is probably a pandemic. Where short term isolation is needed while it burns itself out. I have no intention of trying to live that way for years.

    Longer term would only be in the event of something serious (global thermonuclear war), and a lot of that would be to give me something to do. My wife and I are already amateur prospectors, and things like basic mining is a good way to occupy the time.

    As far as "poaching out of season", in the event of a GOOD event, do you think anybody is going to be worried about hunting or fishing seasons? I am definitely no Claude Dallas by any means, but IF&G is going to be worried about more than checking people for deer tags.
     
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    What you describe looks to be pretty prevalent. My son lives in Hayden and my daughter in Rathdrum. You don’t have to get more than 1/2 mile from the paved road to find where the cast of deliverance retired. Where People actually livie in pole barns, and OSB is considered exterior rated siding.
    When liberals clown conservatives and call us backward and inbred, I would think, they must be talking about Arkansas. No, they are talking about northern Idaho.
     
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    Unfortunately North Idaho is a magnet for people who think they can go back to some glamorized version of the old West and living off the land. Most of them don't last long here and go back where they came from in a few years.
     
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    The super-rich are planning something much worse than a war. They plan to collapse the economy and then the society pretty much everywhere and then to provide supplies for criminal and terrorist groups like Zeta and Isis to clean up the "surplus population" (check principle no. 1 on the Georgia Guidestones)
    The Bible is warning about this possibility in the Book of Revelation: Armageddon
    The best thing you can do to survive is to find friends, very honest and reliable people to form a sustainable community. The Amish communities are a very good reference - they are capable to supply jobs and housing to all the members of the community, and they don't live on ever-increasing debts, like the Western countries. By the contrary, they are capable to generate surplus.
    Agriculture is the very fundamental piece of the economy and of the survival techniques.
    The bigger the community, the more safe you are.
    Starting such a community has a big impact by the power of example and it will spark the creation of many other groups like that, pretty much all over the world.
    Together, these groups can create a confederation and they can try to get closer, in order to form bigger communities.
    A confederation of such communities can eventually create an independent country, free from the corruption and free from the criminal bankers and politicians that are in power today.
    It is also very important to do your best to help others wake up. If you help just one person to wake up, they will also help another one to wake up and this chain reaction that you can start can save a huge amount of people.

    I have already posted my views in these two threads, I hope they can be useful for others:
    - http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-new-economic-crisis.551312/
    - http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ill-get-violent.551347/page-6#post-1070267835
     
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    Conservatives and Trumpism
     
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    Stay calm please
     
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    It's really not such a good idea to be too calm these days. The Western countries are not capable to pay their debts. So they are going to be bankrupt really soon.
    They also create inflation using the Quantitative Easing. We are extremely lucky with Trump because he reversed the Quantitative Easing in the USA. Otherwise the Western economies would have crashed already.
     
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    Leftists will all jump off buildings as soon as they lose access to Facebook.
     
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    Also let's not forget that Barack Obama "the socialist" always took the money from the poor and he gave it to the rich.
    Why not to put a tax of 10% on the wealth or on the incomes of the rich in order to build a bailout fund?
    Why only the poor have to always pay the bills for the economic crisis? Why the rich never pay the bills for the economic crisis?
    Why to print money and to create inflation using Quantitative Easing to lend to the banks and to provide cheap credits? Why not to tax the rich in order to get that money (he gave 4 trillion $US to the criminal bankers)?

    Obama is the ultimate satanist, he did his best to drive the Americans into deeper and deeper poverty and to increase the speculation and the debts of the country.
    And Clinton is the same. And their followers are also the same. And they are becoming hysterical, thanks to the CNN propaganda.
    The extreme violence of the leftists is the very reason why the decent people have to re-group and to prepare for the worst - for the collapse of the economy and the collapse of the administration.
     
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    Xi Jinping and Vladdy Daddy would be glad if Mark Zuckerberg didn't exist
     
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    On the contrary, China loves the tech leftists. They're helping them censor access to the internet and implement a "social score" for each citizen in China.
     
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    This is actually rather funny to me.

    Do you know what you call a "Liberal Democrat" from Idaho that moves to California?

    A Conservative Republican.

    Do you know what you call a Conservative Republican from California when they move to Alabama?

    A Liberal Democrat.

    Contrary to what many thing, in most areas of the country outside of the top 5 states and top 50 cities the parties vary greatly on the local level. And having lived in states like California, Idaho, North Carolina, Texas, and Alabama I have seen this first hand. Take a big issue in one area nd move it to another, and you will not even get a reaction. Or the reverse.

    Idaho by general population tends to be one of the more "Conservative" states, because that is the general inclination of the people that live there. Slower lifestyle, slower change, as a reflex most tend to distrust and even resist much change. And the political views tend to follow that natural inclination. Even the Democrats there would cause Republicans in California to blink twice.

    So yes, if you move there from a place like Portland, Seattle, or Baghdad by the Bay you are going to think you stepped back 50 years to Pleasantville, and think everybody last voted for Ike. But there is also a reason why many people live there all their lives, and others seek to move to places like that. My mom was one.

    Moved as a computer professional in the 1970's to Boise from LA. Then in the 1990's when she retired, moved to an even smaller town that literally had only 1 stop light. She got tired of the big cities and all that nonsense, and I am likely to join her in a few years when I retire. Places like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, etc call out to people like that. Colorado used to, but not anymore. The hippies have long taken over that place.

    Even Northern California did at one time. But that also is gone.
     
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    Read s.m. Stirlings series beginning with dies the fire, its based in oregon with some Idaho mixed in as it goes along iirc.

    It'll give you an idea of the culture of the people the geography the climate, in a post apocalyptic situation.
     
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    I think the whole conservative and liberal thing is overrated I have to make conservative decisions every day I hate to make them but I have to

    If every decision could be a liberal one I would be a lot happier but I can't make 100% liberal choices because it just doesn't happen. My big heart aches a lot for every soul on this 5 billion year old spaceship that suffers

    And I have to make choices and I can't help everybody that I love
     
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    That is an excellent spin-off to another series he wrote, the Nantucket series. That was the reverse, where a community with all of it's modern technology working was thrown back to 1250 BCE.

    I loved reading through it, and seeing places I was very familiar with written in such an angle. The United States of Boise, Pendleton, and the Willamette Valley. All areas I grew up in (I lived in Boise, spent summers with my grandparents in Albany). And I believe it was fairly accurate in what major cities would be like. Mostly "dead zones", where people who can not take care of themselves and rely upon others for all food and water would die off rather quickly.
     
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