Medicare For All is best way to capitalism:

1+1 = duh?

They don't price the services.
They submit diagnosis and procedure codes.
Medicare decides what the payment is and reimburses the provider.
Figure out wtf you're talking about.

 

if we switched from current multi-payer, to single payer, then to capitalism providers would have to list prices so consumers could shop wisely. 1+1=2

 

And once we have achieved capitalism will it still be a single payer government plan; will I be able to return to my private insurance? How do we get to capitalism under a single payer without competition?

 

Duh.
Providers dont have prices.
They just submit codes.
The government has all the prices.
Are you completely ignorant of how Medicare works?

 

obviously we're not talking about Medicare. Why not read OP for 47th time and have your mother explain it to you?

 

no. Obviously rising copays and published prices makes it capitalism, not single payer.

 

That's how government run single payer works.
Nobody prices anything. They just get what the government says they get.

 

OP is about saving 80% on health care with capitalism

 

OP is about you not knowing that providers don't charge patients under single payer and have no prices to advertise.

 

But alas you are still not explaining HOW it will work. You only SAY it will work.

 

op is about switching single payer to Republican capitalism via published prices and rising copays in order to save 80% on health care costs. Do you understand now?

 

it will work the way capitalism works. people will shop for lowest prices and providers will compete on basis of price until healthcare prices come down 80%

 

Duh, providers have no prices to publish under single payer. There is no price competition under single payer.
Is this difficult for you?

 

op is about switching single payer to Republican capitalism via published prices and rising copays in order to save 80% on health care costs. Do you understand now?

 

No.

Could you explain it again with some basic arithmetic at the end?

 

that's not true, in a universal system wages for healthcare workers are negotiated in good faith. The government has a vested interest in making the system work...there is no upside in underpaying highly trained professional healthcare workers, if you want good people you pay them what they're worth...

 

Wages?
Who's talking about wages?

 

You want me to explain why prices go down when people shop with their own money as opposed to when they shop with someone else's money?

 

There would be no prices to shop for.
This is not difficult

 

It's not their own money. Single payer does not give the money to the patient.......ever

 

I have single payer/universal healthcare...I pay nothing, all healthcare costs come from taxation...no worries about how to come up with a huge sum of cash for a catastrophic illness...my insurance coverage cannot run out...no worries about preexisting conditions...I get the same treatment as anyone else, wealth does not buy it's way ahead of me...

from the day I was born to the day I die my healthcare is taken care of.

 

Do you find waiting lists to be a extreme inconvenience?

 

nope...I walked into a clinic yesterday and saw a MD within in 10 minutes(slow day I guess)...if I want to see my personal MD it's wise to phone ahead he can only see so many patients per day I've never waited more than a day to see him...

now if I need to see a specialist it can take awhile because most healthcare problems aren't immediately life threatening...many people will only see the MD who they've heard is the "very, very best"....well if everyone does that it's going to be a very very long wait and money isn't going to get you in front of the line...I was happy to go through a triage system for an orthopedics surgery, ten Orthos working out of the same clinic I took the first one available, my wait was 6 months for the face to face assessment and 6 weeks more for the first of two surgeries... not a big deal, I'd be limping around in pain for 5 years I could've been in years sooner if I didn't delay...
now that I'm "his" ortho patient I get direct access and only need to call his office for an appointment.

if an illness is deemed critical, there is no wait time and I'm in immediately

 

You prefer spending your hard-earned money to help insurance company CEOs & shareholders add more to their personal millions as a reward for finding new ways to deny coverage for healthcare treatments you and your loved ones need? Wow. How smart is that?

 

The following quote is how I see capitalism at the basic level. Would you explain how you see Single Payer Government health care working its way to this: