MH 17 Plane crash is discussed again

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/australia-sickened-at-purported-new-mh17-footage/ar-AAd5nch

The first footage after the crash is shown in Australia. It does not tell us anything about who and how dawned the plane. Nevertheless, Ukrainian government would be most motivated to bring it down to blame Donbas rebels. It seems we are watching another strong effort to blame Russia. USA withdrawn satellite evidence, which may contain evidence, confirming the air to air attack found by Russians.

 

The article says the people were sickened by the rebels running through the contents, giving the illusions they were the ones who shot down the plane, when they should be sickened by the spin that is being put on it by the MSM news source. But then again as an intelligence agent told the investigative reporter Robert Parry, propaganda is all the US has. In other words, 'Truth' is thrown out the window...and with it every law and every sense of justice in our civilized world.

The Australian government stands by the new video. It would explain the phone call by the rebels saying they shot down a plane, when it was only the Ukrainians who would have had the motive to do so... not the Donbas freedom fighters.

This is similar to the false flag attack in Syria, where the terrorists had a chemical attack on their own people, and Assad was blamed when he wouldn't have had a motive to do so. It turned out afterwards that the chemicals were not the ones the Syrian government had, and that they were probably supplied by the Turkish MIT who worked with the terrorists.

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The text cites a rebel commander as saying that "the Sukhoi [fighter jet] brought down the plane and we brought down the Sukhoi."

Later on, the man is quoted as saying that "there’s two planes taken down,” while a voice in the background says, "the fighter jet brought down this one [MH17 Boeing], and our people brought down the fighter. They [the Ukrainians] decided to do it this way, to make it look like we have brought down the plane."

According to the transcript, there were also between two and "five parachute jumpers" who landed at the nearby Grabove village. These included a pilot “roaming about Rassypnoe" [a nearby village] and a commander ordering his men go and get him immediately.​

[video=youtube;j4zQKUVPfAQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4zQKUVPfAQ&bpctr=1437142962[/video]

 

What is even more interesting is that there must have been two planes as witnesses have said, since Russia has in custody someone who knows the pilot that brought down the plane. The possibility exists that he might have been a set up to discredit Russia. The two plane theory though was proven by a German pilot who noticed that the bullet holes were both entering and exiting the cockpit, which means that there had to have been planes on both side of the airliner.

Thank heaven that RT and Sputnik exists so that we can find out news and not just war propaganda. Is it any wonder that Washington, London and the EU are doing everything possible to shut them down?

 

the most likely cause is the rebels shot it down in error, thinking it was a Ukrainian plane.

they boasted about shooting down a large plane moments after MH17 went down.

 

all these conspiracy theories, are getting kinda pathetic.

 

Sort of like masturbation, it makes one feel good but it is a waste of resources. LOL

 

"ukraine shot down the plane so as to blame Russia"

 

I have no doubt that some will try to discredit the facts presented on the video in order to deceive the American people. But then again that's how propaganda works. Hmmm! I wonder who the 'father of all lies' is?

 

A quick scan of reports on this video shows the Western media all focusing on the rebels going through luggage and such with no mention of what is being said on the video. I've only seen RT bring it up.

Now, this video by itself doesn't 'prove' anything, but it certainly adds an interesting new wrinkle.

 

Dutch report will blame Russian rebels.

 

In June 2015, Buk manufacturer, the Russian concern Almaz-Antey announced that MH17 had been downed by a 9М38М1 Buk-M1 missile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

The German Federal Intelligence Service reportedly concluded that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a captured Ukrainian Buk system

 

After they had held a video conference with representatives of insurgents affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic (who control the area where the aircraft crashed), the rebels promised to "provide safe access and security guarantees" to "the national investigation commission" by co-operating with Ukrainian authorities and OSCE monitors.[114] During the first two days of investigation, the militants prevented the OSCE and the workers of Ukrainian Emergencies Ministry from freely working at the crash site. Andre Purgin, a leader of the Donetsk People's Republic, declared later that "we will guarantee the safety of international experts on the scene as soon as Kiev concludes a ceasefire agreement"

 

On 22 July, a soldier revealed to an Italian reporter that fellow separatists had told his unit the aircraft had been shot down under the assumption that it was Ukrainian.[174] This information was verified and confirmed on the same day by a German newspaper.[175] Unnamed American intelligence officials stated that sensors that traced the path of the missile, shrapnel patterns in the wreckage, voice print analysis of separatists' conversations in which they claimed credit for the strike, and photos and other data from social media sites all indicated that Russian-backed separatists had fired the missile

 

Year, but this makes you think, if they somehow managed to obtain this video, what esle evidence do they have? And what if they have proof that it was Russian millitary crew who shot down this plane? Not pro-Russian rebels but officially serving Russian soldiers. What are they going to do with this information? To bring up such accusations means to bring the confrontation with Russia the whole new level.

 

In an interview with Reuters on 23 July 2014, Alexander Khodakovsky, the commander of the pro-Russian Vostok Battalion, acknowledged that the separatists had an anti-aircraft missile of the type the Americans have said was used to shoot down the aircraft, and said that it could have been sent back to Russia to remove proof of its presence;[189][190][191] he later retracted his comments, saying that he had been misquoted and stating that rebels never had a Buk.[192] In November 2014 he repeated that the separatists had a Buk launcher at the time, but stated that the vehicle, under control of fighters from Luhansk, had still been on its way to Donetsk when MH17 crashed. It was then retreated to avoid being blamed

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Shortly after the crash, Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbass separatists, was reported to have posted on social media network VKontakte, taking credit for downing a Ukrainian AN-26.[155][156] The separatists later recanted and denied involvement after learning that a civilian airliner had been downed, saying they did not have the equipment or training to hit a target at that altitude.[157][158][159] Russian media also reported that Alexander Borodai called one of the Moscow media managers 40 minutes after the crash, saying that "likely we shot down a civilian airline".

 

Immediately after the crash, a post appeared on the VKontakte social media profile attributed to Russian Colonel Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbass separatists, claiming responsibility for shooting down an AN-26,[13][14][15] but after it became clear that a civilian aircraft had been shot down, the separatists denied any involvement, and the post was taken down.

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On the evening following the crash, the lifenews.ru portal released a statement saying that a "Ukrainian Air Force An-26 transport plane" had been shot down by a missile and crashed.[305] ITAR-TASS and RIA Novosti had also reported that an An-26 had been shot down by the militia (separatists) near Torez at around 16:00 local time.

 

I think that Washington based everything on the recording of the telephone call by Strelkov (Girken) to someone saying they had shot down a plane. ..and this video which Australia stands behind disproves it was the airliner. I did read that a lawyer in the States representing the relatives of the passengers of the airliner has a four hundred million dollar law suit against Strelkov and Russia.

I assumed that the lawsuit was in response to Russia's 'White Book' lawsuits of the atrocities committed against the people of the Donbas. In a way it's almost miraculous how the video popped up...and in a nation that partners with the West. Now that I think of it, the Australian newspaper might have been the only one willing to publish it.

Russia has information that an American satellite was right above the plane when it happened, and Moscow keeps asking Washington to disclose the photos, but they refuse to. Robert Parry asked the Intelligence Agent why aren't they presenting the truth to the American people and letting them believe a lie, since they are almost positive that the airliner was shot down by some extremists in the Kiev government? The agent responded that propaganda is all they have since the people in Ukraine speak Russian and are next to Russia.

Since it is so, then why in the damn world are we in Ukraine in the first place?

 

If another plane crashed at that explosion site, it would explain two pieces of the story:
1. Why the Kiev hijackers fired artillery to keep people from the scene;
2. Why there were anti-radar strips filmed falling out of the explosion cloud where something crashed. Was it a fighter plane that made the explosion?

[video=youtube;S3VbG0lHDhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3VbG0lHDhQ[/video]

[video=youtube;b67OGUsQC44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b67OGUsQC44[/video]

http://www.rt.com/news/310039-mh17-israeli-missile-version/

 

That's all speculation.

I, like most, want to see an honest investigation. It IS still possible.

What should be included are analysis of the rocket debris embedded in the plane, analysis of the skin where the plane was punctured, autopsy results of the pilots and US satellite data.

That is not all inclusive, but it looks like independent study of these aspects, or at least the release of such info, is being avoided. That, taken with giving Ukraine, an obvious suspect, veto power over what information is released, reeks of a cover-up.

 

Yes, it does not proof anything. It is done for misleading and sensitizing the public for propaganda purposes.

 

Well, the rumor says the final results of dutch investigation will be published in the fall. So we shall see then.

 

There is an indepth analysis of the projectiles that hit the airplane in RT, and the conclusion is that it might have been downed by an Israeli Python air-to-air missile. In the early 2000s a number of Sukhoi Su-25 assault fighter jets were refurbished to use fourth and fifth generation Python missiles.

Anyway my suspicions were aroused about it being a false flag attack from the time they began accusing Vladimir Putin. Both Kerry and Obama are lawyers, and they know that you never prejudice the jury. Since they made a point of prejudicing Americans and Europeans against Russia when they had no proof, it had to have been for propaganda purposes.

I don't believe that Merkel fell for it, so she must have been a willing accomplice.

http://www.rt.com/news/310039-mh17-israeli-missile-version/

 

You mean like Russia prejudicing Russians when they had no proof?

 

the maker of the BUK missile says the plane was shot down by a BUK missile.

 

The video shows pro-Russia separatists rummaging through the luggage of dead passengers while apparently in a state of confusion.

One man dressed in camouflage, speaking a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian, asks where the remains of a military Sukhoi bomber is. “There it is, it is the passenger plane,” another responds.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an-backed-rebels-sifting-wreckage-after-crash