MH 17 Plane crash is discussed again

Putin feared this as although such a thing is considered JUST BUSINESS IN AMERICA AND THE WEST....PUTIN being a former member of the KGB and a COMMUNIST saw it as a threat!!

Putin sent in Spetsnaz....Russian Special Forces....in Camo Uniformes with no flags and no uniform rank or insignia's and they PAID RUSSIAN SPEAKING CRIMEAN'S GOOD MONEY TO START AN INSURGENCY!!

Understand this had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY PROBLEMS BETWEEN THE CRIMEAN'S AND THE REST OF THE UKRAINE!!!

THIS WAS A RUSSIAN LAND GRAB!!!

When the Crimea was ANNEXED....the United States and Canada along with Western Europe were EXTREMELY ANGRY and I WAS ANGRY because I spent time over there as the American People have spent over $300 BILLION to pay for the ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE CLEAN UP AND DESTRUCTION OF ALL OLD SOVIET NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS AND THEIR LABS IN ALL FORMER SOVIET REPUBLICS INCLUDING RUSSIA!!!

We also FORCED the European's to FORGIVE BILLION'S OF DOLLARS IN UNPAID SOVIET DEBT OWED TO EUROPE as well as FORCED the G-7 to allow Russia in as part of the G-8!!!

REMEMBER...A TREATY WAS SIGNED WHERE RUSSIA PROMISED IF THE UNITED STATED DID ALL THAT I DESCRIBED ABOVE AND IT COST THE UNITED STATES HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO STABALIZE THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, RUSSIAN ECONOMY AND RUSSIAN MILITARY which had thousands of Old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons POINTED RIGHT AT MOSCOW in the UKRAINE AND GEORGIA....ETC!!!

AboveAlpha.....continued....

 

THEN PUTIN GOES AND ANNEXES THE UKRAINE!!!

So PUTIN BROKE THE TREATY AND DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES....A DEAL WE SPENT OVER $300 BILLION OF AMERICAN TAXPAYER DOLLARS TRYING TO HELP RUSSIA!!!

WE WERE AND STILL ARE VERY P!$$ED OFF!!!!

Putin acted like he was doing the right thing.

WE TAUGHT PUTIN A LESSON!!

The United States and Canada absolutely FLOODED the WORLDS OIL MARKET WITH CHEAP AMERICAN AND CANADIAN OIL!!

Since Putin and his 110 Buddies who own over 35% of all Russian Wealth make their money skimming Oil and Natural Gas Profits from all the PUTIN SEIZED formerly PRIVATELY OWNED RUSSIAN ENERGY COMPANIES....by the U.S. and Canada flooding the worlds Oil Market the price of Oil per Barrel went from $135 a barrel to $45 a barrel.

Since over 80% of the ENTIRE RUSSIAN ECONOMY is dependent upon ENERGY EXPORTS....the drop in Oil Prices has COLLAPSED THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY AND MADE THE RUBLE ALMOST WORTHLESS....so that the U.S. Treasury was installed by the IMF and World Bank in Russia making the U.S. Dollar THE EMERGENCY SECONDARY MONETARY SYSTEM IN RUSSIA....as shop keepers and companies would not accept Rubles as payment for anything as the Rubles devaluation was so sudden and fell so low no one in Russia would take it for payment INCLUDING PUTIN CONTROLLED RUSSIAN ENERGY COMPANIES who wanted the Russian People to pay for Oil and Gas using U.S. DOLLARS!!!

AboveAlpha.....continued....

 

While all this was going on Putin sent in large numbers of SPETSNAZ in a swath of area from Russia all along the Western Shore of the Black Sea...all the way to the Crimea......as PUTIN WANTED TO SEIZE THAT AREA OF LAND SO THAT RUSSIA WOULD BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH THE CRIMEA!!!

The United States STOPPED THIS FURTHER ANNEXATION OF UKRAINIAN TERRITORY!!!

HOW???

We told Putin that if he continued to send more Spetsnaz into that swath of Territory to basically do the same thing they did in the Crimea.....that being PAY LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO RUSSIAN SPEAKING CRIMEAN'S AS WELL AS ARM THEM TO SEIZE THAT ENTIRE TERRITORY SO THAT RUSSIA WOULD BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE CRIMEA!!!

The UNITED STATES STOPPED THIS BY THE COMPLETE FLOODING OF THE WORLD'S OIL MARKET and if Putin once again attempts to seize more Ukrainain Territory......THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA WILL ONCE AGAIN FLOOD THE WORLDS OIL MARKET TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT OIL PRICES WILL CRSH DOWN BELOW $30 A BARREL EFFECTIVELY CAUSING SUCH A COLLAPSE OF THE RUSSIAN ECONOMIC SYSTEM RUSSIA WILL NOT BE CAPABLE OF RECOVERY......EVER.....without the help of the United States and Canada!!

AboveAlpha.....continued.....

 

The shoot down of MH17 was an act of GROSS NEGLIGENCE by not only Spetsnaz but by Putin.

Putin was aware that the United States Intelligence Agencies were looking to PROVE that all those men in the Crimea and now all along the Western Black Sea Shoreline from Russia to the Crimea were SPETSNAZ!!!

The first time I saw Digital Video of 6 paid for Russian Speaking Crimean Seperatists dressed in a number of different Camo Uniforms standing next to two members of SPETSNAZ who were IN GREAT SHAPE.....WORE NO INSIGNIA'S OR RANK....and they were all wearing a varient of Camo sold by Russia to other Nations as these Uniforms were not standard Camo Pattern for the Russian Military in that area of the world.....

.....I TOOK ONE LOOK AT THEM AND KNEW THEY WERE MEMBERS OF SPETSNAZ!!!

Putin KNEW we were looking for verifiable PROOF so Putin told the Spetsnaz Leadership to train and pay Russian Speaking Crimean Seperatist's to opperate complex Russian AAA Batteries and BUK SAM LAUNCHERS as the Ukrainain SU-25's were coming in and hammering Crimean Seperatists as these SU-25's were being used in a GROUND SUPPORT ROLE as they are meant to be used as an SU-25 does NOT HAVE A PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR THE PILOT and as well a fully armed SU-25 only can fly at a top speed 385 mph at 9000 Feet whether such armament is bombs or R-60 Rockets which only have an effective range of 4,400 Feet!!!

The Su-25 has absolutely ZERO CAPABILITY of shooting down a Boeing 777 traveling at 33,000 feet at 550 mph.

So this is just a WILD TALE but what sucks is that the Russian Speaking Crimean Seperatists who were being POUNDED by Ukrainian Su-25's all day were TIGGER HAPPY.....and they did not have either the training or experience reading the BUK's Radar Return Signals to know what they were shooting at and because Putin did not want a member of SPETSNAZ to get caught working with the Crimean Seperatists in a BUK SAM LAUNCHER...Putin told Spetsnaz to train the Seperatists and GET OUT!!!

This STUPIDITY led to the accidental downing of MH17 which was a Boeing 777 flying at 33,000 feet at 550 mph and it is an aircraft that is IMPOSSIBLE for any Su-25 to down!!!

Because PUTIN KNOWS THAT THE UNITED STATES AND EUROPE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED....PUTIN HAS WITHDRAWN THE VAST MAJORITY OF SPETSNAZ OUT OF THIS SWATH OF LAND ALONG THE BLACK SEA SHORELINE FROM RUSSIA TO THE CRIMEA!!!

AboveAlpha....continued.....

 

Now.....Russia has no one to turn to for help.....UNLESS....Putin either is removed from Power or Putin DOES THE RIGHT THING!!

What is the RIGHT THING???

The RIGHT THING is for Putin or whoever will be in power in Russia....to find a way out of the soon to be LONG AND DEEP ECONOMIC DEPRESSION RUSSIA HAS JUST ENTERED!!

And the way to do that is......MAKE A DEAL WITH THE U.S. OVER CRIMEA AND THE UKRAINE FIRST....THEN........

......JOIN WITH THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA AND FORM A ROCK SOLID PARTNERSHIP WHICH WOULD RESULT IN THE CREATION OF MILLIONS OF JOBS IN RUSSIA AND THE SAVING OF THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY!!!

This was supposed to happen 13 years ago but Putin cancelled it at the last moment because....PUTIN COULD NOT STEAL MONEY WITH U.S. AND CANADIAN INVOLVEMENT AS WE WOULD NOT ALLOW IT!!

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A Russian/American-Canadian Partnership would mean that 3 of the 4 largest Nations on Earth and THE TOP 3 ENERGY PRODUCING AND RESOURCE HAVING NATIONS IN THE WORLD.....AND THE TOP 2 MILITARY POWERS IN THE WORLD....AS CANADA AND THE U.S. ARE CONSIDERED ONE ENTITY.....AND THE WORLDS LARGEST ECONOMY....THE U.S.....WORLDS LARGEST AND MOST EXPERIENCED ECONOMY...U.S. AND CANADA......WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE RUSSIA INTO AN ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE WHILE SAVING THE U.S A TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEFENSE SPENDING!!!

The 3 Nations together would have a MONOPOLY ON ENERGY!!!

THE 3 NATIONS TOGETHER AND A VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP MUST BE FORMED SO THAT NO SUSPICION BY ANY OF THE 3 WOULD RESULT IN ISSUES...MUST BE FORMED.

There is NOTHING that the 3 Nations could not do.

THAT...is what Russia needs to do.

It is in the best interest of Russia and the World at large.

AboveAlpha

 

Members of council of Safety of the UN didn't make any decisions on Monday after consultations under the draft resolution on creation of tribunal for Boeing crash investigation in the sky over Ukraine, the permanent representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Vitaly Churkin reported.

I personally, have big doubts that the initial idea of this "tribunal" could come to mind to any of the leadership of Malaysia, Holland or other countries, whose citizens died in accident. Possibly, her authors are the same who conceived and carried out this really awful crime. And now here, a year later tried to play the bloody card once again. Calculation, it is necessary to tell, was rather cunning and, from the point of view of his initiators, almost safe.

If Russia recognizes tribunal, will definitely not get out. Process in the Hague on crimes against "defenseless" Bosnians, Croats and Kosovars perfectly showed as it becomes.

And if refuses, even even better. It is possible to begin to yell for the whole world: "All saw?! Russians were frightened of tribunal! Who still needs what proofs?!". Here "guilty" it is also found. And it, pay attention, at everything thus that in absence even results of investigation, the obvious component of fault for crash is present quite definitely.

It is that the plane flied over a zone of military operations that is forbidden in due form to IKAO (International Civil Aviation Organization). And responsibility for flight (maintenance) of aircrafts is born by that country, over whose territory passes flight. And what we see? Ukraine as the country before all violated rules, and allowed, in fact, this emergency, nearly among the first approved idea of tribunal and urged the UN to vote for its creation.

Where here logic and common sense? Here,at first Ukraine, must to punished in tribunal, right now. But here Ukraine remembers that records on work of dispatchers during accident and it previous are materials of investigation and secret by commission of inquiry on crash. In as! As they say, comments are excessive.http://politikus.ru/events/54521-rezolyuciya-iz-za-zakrytyh-dverey-kto-tut-zhelal-tribunala-v-prolete.html(rus)

 

Everyone KNOWS that the MH17 was accidentally shot down by a Crimean Seperatist Controlled BUK SAM.

And as anyone who is properly trained in the use of a BUK SAM LAUNCHER would KNOW....the Radar Signal Return of the MH-17 Boeing 777 would indicate a LARGE PASSENGER JETLINER TRAVELING AT 33,000 MPH AT 550 MPH....anyone who actually did not have enough knowledge to know this SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL OF A BUK SAM LAUNCHER!!!

Putin did not want members of Spetsnaz to be identified operating in the Crimea or other areas of the Ukraine so Spetsnaz was told by Putin to train the Crimean Seperatists to be able to operate these BUK's....but Spetsnaz did not have anywhere near the time to properly train the Crimean Seperatists thus ultimate responsibility forthis accidental shoot down lies with those who ordered Spetsnaz to supply the Crimean Seperatists and those who ordered Spetsnaz to no longer be at such BUK SAM sites with the Seperatists as they were not trained to any degree necessary for them to properly operate a BUK system.

Who is responsible?

PUTIN!!

He is the one that directed Spetsnaz to pay and supply the Seperatists with BUK's....Putin is also the one who ordered Spetsnaz to train them and leave without the proper amount of time necessary for the Seperatists to properly identify targets.

AboveAlpha

 

Only Everyone KNOWS in your group of liars

 

That's a convenient security setup Alpha...

Meanwhile, I'd need to have a very large drink - probably several - to take anything Google says as being worthwhile.

I mean, quite a lot has been written about Google's connection to the US intelligence community, not to mention Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt being a regular attendee at the Bilderberg conferences - the annual meeting point of the Atlantic elite (you know, those guys who shape US and western geopolitics).

But most of all I think you'll enjoy the following extract:

Source

A nice source you have there Alpha. Not in the slightest bit prejudiced either.

Can I now ask you to evidence your claim that Putin and his buddies are stealing 35% of Russian wealth?

Oh no, you can't can you. That darned security setting of yours. Does this mean that we're going to see more and more tosh claims by you in the future? As in the past?

Or should we just switch to an entirely different story about Livitnenko - which as you know has a great many curiosities about anyway which point to other players besides Russia as being responsible for his death - and which I've covered at length if not exhaustively on this forum previously?

The problem I see is that once someone has developed a taste for propaganda, it become habitual.

 

By By Nafeez Ahmed!!!??? LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Russia suggests to appoint the special envoy of the UN Secretary General for assistance to investigation of plane crash of Malaysian Boeing in Ukraine.

The document which copy went into the disposal of TASS, contains the request addressed to the administrative head of the UN Ban Ki-moon within two weeks after adoption of the resolution to report on the Security Council "on steps which will allow to strengthen a role of the United Nations in investigation support, in particular, about appointment of the special representative of the secretary general on incident".

Concern in is also expressed in the text that the investigation of incident made by Council for safety of the Netherlands doesn't correspond to the criteria stated in the resolution of UN SC 2166 including "doesn't provide due transparency in organizational issues and in a work technique that can render negative effect on results". The draft resolution calls for "the fastest completion of investigation without prejudice to its quality", and also insists on that "all interested countries" were allocated with "fair and equal access" to an evidence.http://tass.ru/politika/2134639 rus

 

Curious. Maybe being a Brit I don't understand American obscurities, but I haven't a clue what you mean.

Meanwhile, where is that proof that Putin and his chums have stolen 35% of Russian wealth? Always the claims, never the evidence to support it.

 

Interesting. I automatically figured that all evidence would be accessible to all concerned parties. This suggests it isn't automatic and that there are concerns that Russia won't get access to the Dutch investigation?

 

it is fake

On video a fragment 3.18 - a print screen from video

and a photo on the Australian site,http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/julie-bishop-mh17-crash-site-footage-is-sickening/story-fnizu68q-1227445193810 quality better is not a photoshop, this photo.

From where?

Shots of the first minutes after the tragedy of the Malaysian Boeing are published
by Marcus Macerinus https://youtu.be/FxbQR32c7yc

received by the program - MediaInfo https://mediaarea.net/ru/MediaInfo

It is loaded on July 16, 2015 at 23:11 Moscow time.
Australia there were 6:11 mornings on July 17.

''Creature Channel'' filled in THIS VIDEO on the Youtube at least on an hour and a half earlier than when it was published "FOR THE FIRST TIME" by the Australian site and the minister commented.


info from here http://911tm.9bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=519&p=44

 

Probably so.

ps: 147 more documents concerning circumstances of the incident weren't opened.Why?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Criminal_investigation

 

Interesting. I don;t understand what it meant by not being "opened"? Any idea? Surely all evidence is subjected to close scrutiny?

And I note again that all five members of the Joint Investigation Team are all very close allies of the US and amazingly, for me anyway, includes Ukraine, but does not include Russia. Were this to be a fair and aboveboard independent investigation then membership of the JIT would be truly independent and largely drawn from non-aligned nations under UN auspices. As I have said before this reeks of a fit-up where a pre-determined finding will be announced.

 

how come the Donetsk rebels have denied access to the investigators?

 

How come you're blind to everything except your anti-Russian agenda?

 

the investigators complained that the rebels denied access to cell towers in Donetsk, which could be used to research phone calls made right after the crash

obviously, they had something to hide.

 

Rebels could not give black boxes, but they gave at once. The Malaysian government thanked them. Аccess to cell towers? You may need Webcams to be placed over each separatist so that you know where they hide?

 

Malaysians also believe the Russian rebels did it.

 

Malaysians told me they believe Ukraine army did it.

 

lol.......the Malaysian govt. told you this?

no they didnt.

the Malaysians are co-sponsors of the UN resolution for a international tribunal againsty the suspects for MH 17.

Russia is against this tribunal.

Malaysia, respects the Dutch investigators.

 

I have provided sources and links to this more times than I can remember.

I will let YOU have the FUN this time!!!

Run an Internet Search and use these words.....Putin's 110 Russian buddies who own 35% of Russian Wealth.

A HUGE number of links will come up.

AboveAlpha