Michael Brown Autopsy: Suggests Teen Was Shot At Close Range: Report

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    Michael Brown Autopsy: Suggests Teen Was Shot At Close Range: Report

    The Huffington Post | By Andres Jauregui | Posted: 10/22/2014 11:12 am EDT
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    "The St. Louis County Medical Examiner has released the official autopsy report for slain teenager Michael Brown.

    The report, obtained by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, provides a detailed account of gunshot wounds sustained by the 18-year-old victim whose Aug. 9 death sparked massive protests in Ferguson, Missouri.

    Although the autopsy states that no powder stipple or soot was identified on six entry wounds to Brown's head, chest and arms, experts not involved in the investigation told the Post-Dispatch that the autopsy suggests a struggle at close range:

    The St. Louis medical examiner, Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report for the newspaper. He said Tuesday that it “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car.”

    Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown’s right thumb toward his wrist. The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range.

    But Graham said, “Sometimes when it’s really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke.”

    Experts also told the paper that material collected from a tissue sample of Brown's thumb suggested shots fired at close range.

    Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer who shot the teen, gave an account of the events that described a struggle between himself and Brown. The New York Times, which obtained Wilson's account, pointed out that the officer's retelling of events did not explain why he repeatedly shot Brown upon exiting his car.

    Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Brown's family, told the Associated Press that Wilson's testimony is "self-serving."

    "The officer is going to say whatever he has to say to try to justify killing an unarmed teenager," Crump said. "And certainly, his statement should not be taken above independent eyewitnesses who are completely unbiased when he has every reason to be biased."

    Journalists on Twitter met the Post-Dispatch report with skepticism:

    This is not the first autopsy on Brown. A private autopsy ordered by the boy's family in August revealed that he had been struck by gunfire six times. An earlier autopsy performed by St. Louis County medical examiners showed that the teen had marijuana in his system."

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    IMO: Darren Wilson employed 'overkill' in shooting Brown over six times, which makes him entirely wrong in the murder of an unarmed teenager. He could have used Mace and had backup to subdue an irate teenager. The death was entirely uncalled for, and charges should be filed against Wilson for another needless death.

    As reports come in from all over the nation, the question of violent cops comes into question more and more, and pretty soon to serve even a subpoena, every cop will go out in full riot gear using government sent military trucks, assault weapons, pepper spray, and all the macho things needed for a war.

    Perhaps we are already in a war with the cops that are pledged to protect us. It appears that they are content to kill citizens easier than talking out things with them. Their behavior has contributed to the resentment that is expressed openly by blacks who figure they have nothing to lose because they are used to the treatment they receive from cops.
     
  2. FreshAir

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    "Michael Brown Autopsy: Suggests Teen Was Shot At Close Range: Report"

    course he was also shot at far range...

    once in the car when the officer tried to grab hold of him, many times far away when he got away

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    I think there is so much more to this story that is being held back from the public, but I tend to listen more to eye-witness accounts that will give a more plausible picture of what happened. When the cop went into hiding, that was a clear sign of guilt to me..otherwise he would have validated his actions.
     
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    You do realize that eye witness accounts are the least reliable form of testimony. People often change their stories or get confused about what they thought they heard or saw, or they simply lie, as Michael Browns accomplice did. It's also false to say that eye witnesses can't/don't have agendas. That is complete nonsense.
     
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    Overkill? Who the hell are you to judge him? Were you there? were you attacked? Were you fighting for your life? You some some big balls to sit in your comfy (*)(*)(*)(*)ing chair and Monday morning quarterback someone else.

    Quite frankly, It terrifies me that you may one day sit on a grand jury. I mean you are so out of touch with reality it is mind boggling. Use mace? WHAT!? Have you ever had to mace someone? I HAVE. YOU DON'T USE MACE WHEN SOMEONE IS TRYING TO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING KILL YOU. YOU UNDERSTAND?

    Damn right, law enforcement, like any other profession has to change with the times. The public as of late has become increasingly violent and don't seem to think they have to have any respect for the law. That is a result of parents who don't frigging parent and people like YOU.

    What a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*), yeah lets not put the blame where is belongs. Because that will solve our problems. /sarcasm.
     
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    You do realize don't you that Officer Wilson went into hiding until the police department could put together the picture they wanted the public to hear. And when you get a bevy of eye witnesses describing an incident, you can get a clearer picture of what happened based on the same answers to questions.
     
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    The problem with that theory is the 10 black people who back up the Officer, I mean we can cut it and slice it all day, but just that FACT, I mean its totally over for the Mike Brown supporters. I do hope they move on and support his mom and her pipe swinging accomplice who brawled in the street over t-shirts. God I can't want to see that tape.

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    Seeing the name "Crump" involved has destroyed all credibility of witnesses and news sources. Unless they have credible video of the incident then what the officer says should be taken as fact.
     
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    when people refuse to give an account of what happened and lawyer up... it's even less reliable.. as their story is all after the evidence comes out... easier to make your story match the evidence then... and of course be tainted by what you now know vs what you knew then

    that is why cops always want to get witness testimony as soon as possible... unless it's one of their own....

    but this officer has the same rights anyone else would when suspected of a crime.. the right to remain silent and have the state prove your guilt
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    Wow, Irish - that's one good post and very accurate......
     
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    I do not believe this person was trying to kill him, I believe he was shot and decided to return to get assistance with his injuries as he was bleeding bad and that would effect you fast

    as he was running, he realized, he needed help bad, he could not run or he would die, he just did not know running back for help would also get him killed

    that said, that doesn't mean the officer knew what he was thinking as he is not a mind reader

    I also think the cop tried to grab him and the teen tried to get away from him, I do not think he was trying to get the officers gun, I think that part has gotten exaggerated to somehow make the shooting look more justified

    one doesn't have to be a bad person for the above to be true.. either the deceased or the officer, this all happened very quickly, not like they thought it through ahead of time

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    He had gunpowder residue on his hand, that means the 6'4" 292 lb NFL Linebacker size guy's hand was inches from grabbing the muzzle of the gun INSIDE the Police car.

     
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    Now you are just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up...............

    and not even believable (*)(*)(*)(*) at that.............
     
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    Just as the case with Zimmerman and Martin proved, jumping to judgement always provides the least accurate account of what happened and when that judgement is driven by racist profiteers, it is the most inaccurate.

    This case is following the same footsteps.
     
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    could mean, the cop tried to pull him in to keep him from running, and then the cop tried to get his gun out during the struggle, the guy was then struggling for his life once the gun came out, trying to keep from getting shot... not saying that was right, best move would of been back up and hold hands up, but the officer may have still had hold of his cloths so he could not do that... at that point it was like holding a tiger by it's tail, something bad was gonna happen, had that been the ONLY shot, I do not think any of us would be discussing it, it was the shots when he was at a distance that are called into question... nothing unjustified about the shots in the car... no one says that was wrong

    people keep trying to make this out as either side is evil, doesn't have to be that way, for this to of occurred like it did, and most likely neither were evil and neither wanted to kill the other

    that said, even if everything I said is true, if the officer honestly felt his life was at risk.. the shoot was justified, even if his life was not really at risk


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    Pull him the driver's window and do what? You are dreaming.
     
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    1) Officer Wilson was the one with the gun, the teenager was unarmed, and had his hands up, and yelled: "Don't Shoot!" Officer Wilson clearly didn't have to kill Brown; he probably was afraid of a big lumbering teenager.

    2) Yes, I have big balls and carry around a can of Mace, and I think you are too much into reality for trying to justify a cop's murdering a teenager.
    Over emotional also...don't you lousy cops have a stun gun that will shock a teenager and render him helpless...do you really have to shoot a teenager 6 times to make sure he is dead?

    3) Wrong!! It is the police that have become increasingly violent toward citizens, and there is very little respect I can have for seeing all the crime in a municipality - then getting pulled over in a speed trap while a lousy cop makes his daily quota in tickets! They also stop and frisk the small guys, (blacks and Hispanics) for having some pot on them while the drug dealers are on the next block selling thousands of dollars of the hard stuff. Cops' reputations have gone south because of their own actions, not because of a teen's upbringing.

    4) You simply don't understand the minds of black and Hispanic teens. White teens never have the same treatment by a cop as blacks and Hispanics do; there is just an attitude police have toward teens that is bad for community safety and well-being.because of a lack of understanding, compassion, and love for another human being - a black teenager just starting out in this jaded world we live in.
     
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    Why would you believe your story instead of the officers account. The evidence thus far supports the officer's account and he was there, whereas yours is just a story trying to force fit the pieces together to try to fit the evidence.

    Remember, this officer represents the people in government who the left feel is their protector and the reason the Second Amendment is outdated and unnecessary.
     
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    ...Yes a good post and accurate...if you go by your standards.....:woot:
     
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    it's very believable, and most likely what happened, matches witness testimony as well as the evidence

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    I have yet to read the officers official report, my guess is their isn't one

    no one on the left thinks gov officials do not make mistakes, look at Bush.. but why bring politics into this?

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    We're all free to armchair quarterback. In fact, we have a duty to be vigilant of police abuse of power.

    What specific action did Brown take that you believe warranted death? How do you know Wilson was fighting for his life?

    How do you know Wilson had no opportunity to use any one of three less than lethal tools at his disposal as easily accessible to him as his gun?

    Years ago, I was a certified train-the-trainer in the use of oleoresin capsicum. I've sprayed and been sprayed. Again, how do you know he couldn't have reasonably employed pepper spray? You have no idea. Nor do I.
     
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    And what would those standards be and how do they differ from yours?
     
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    " It is the police that have become increasingly violent toward citizens"

    This is just in the Inland Empire in So Cal.
     
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    and your guess would be wrong

    in don't know how many times I have to say this...................IT EVIDENCE in a crime. the PD is not and cannot release it while a grand jury is in session.
     
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    I think that once the grab for the gun took place that would eliminate those options. Nothing worse than using chemical spray in a gun fight.
     

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